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Subject: Why was my website banned by google and how to get it reinstated?
Category: Sports and Recreation > Team Sports
Asked by: kusultimate-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 09 Apr 2004 20:04 PDT
Expires: 09 May 2004 20:04 PDT
Question ID: 327958
My website has been banned by Google with no explanation given to me.
I need to know what i have to do to get Google to reinstate and
reindex my site in the Google web directory.
http://www.kellysultimatesports.com

Request for Question Clarification by serenata-ga on 10 Apr 2004 07:24 PDT
Hi Kusultimate ~

Only Google knows if they have banned your site, and as a rule, they
won't discuss specific sites,
     "Your page was manually removed from our index, because
      it did not conform with the quality standards necessary
      to assign accurate PageRank. We will not comment on the
      individual reasons a page was removed ..." [From Google's
      "My Web Pages Are Not Currently Listed"]
   - ://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html#usedtobe



I find it interesting that you assume your site has been banned and
not just "missing", such as when your site may not have been available
during the last web crawl,

     "If your page does not appear at all, here are some other
      possible explanations.

     * Your site may not have been reachable when we tried to
       crawl it because of network or hosting problems. When
       this happens, we retry multiple times, but if the site
       cannot be crawled, it will not be listed in our current
       index. If it was a transient problem, your site will
       likely show up in the next index, which will be completed
       in a few weeks."

or

     " A technical glitch on our side may have caused us to
       'miss' your site. In crawling more than 3 billion pages
        every few weeks, our system experiences hiccups from
        time to time. Again, this is a transient problem, and
        your site will likely show up in the next index.
        Please be patient with us during this period, as we
        are not able to modify our index by hand to add sites
        missed in this way."
   - ://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html#usedtobe


If your site is being crawled or visited by the Googlebot, the chances
are very good a glitch happened, and that your site hasn't been
banned, but has gone missing.


A search for your domain, www.kellysultimatesports.com, returns the
following results:

     "Sorry, no information is available for the URL
      www.kellysultimatesports.com

     * If the URL is valid, try visiting that web page by clicking
       on the following link: www.kellysultimatesports.com
     * Find web pages that contain the term
       "www.kellysultimatesports.com"


And clicking on the link for "find web pages that contain the term
..." returns over 1100 results.


Google lists reasons it may remove your site from its index in its
Webmaster Guidelines,

     "Quality Guidelines - Basic principles:

      * Make pages for users, not for search engines. Don't
        deceive your users, or present different content to
        search engines than you display to users.
      * Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings.
        A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable
        explaining what you've done to a website that competes
        with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help
        my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"
      * Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase
        your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid
        links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web
        as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those
        links.
      * Don't use unauthorized computer programs to submit pages,
        check rankings, etc. Such programs consume computing
        resources and violate our terms of service. Google does
        not recommend the use of products such as WebPosition Gold?
        that send automatic or programmatic queries to Google. 

      Quality Guidelines - Specific recommendations:

      * Avoid hidden text or hidden links.
      * Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.
      * Don't send automated queries to Google.
      * Don't load pages with irrelevant words.
      * Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains
        with substantially duplicate content.
      * Avoid "doorway" pages created just for search engines,
        or other "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate
        programs with little or no original content.
   - ://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html


Have you engaged in any of those practices? Doorway pages, bad
neighborhood linking, automatically checking your ranking, multiple
domains with the same content (I wasn't able to find any using search
techniques, but that doesn't mean they're there). If so, it may well
be that your site has been banned.

Lastly, have you considered all those sites, directories, etc., that
contain links to your pages? There is some anecdotal evidence that
Google has significantly reduced the value (or weight) of links to
your site from pages that are nothing more than a list of links. I
must say that some of the links to your site are a stretch (for
example, travel sites, cell phone cites, etc.)

Considering that a random check of a couple dozen of the pages that
contain the term "www.kellysultimatesports.com" are nothing more than
a page full of links and advertisements, some relevant to your site's
content, some not, Google "could" (emphasizing the word *could*) have
considered those links irrelevant and therefore your site's ranking
might have dropped considerably. But even anecdotally, I haven't seen
such links causing a ban from Google's index, only a penalty in drop
of search engine ranking.

I gave you the above information in order to extract an answer to
these questions, which in turn will better help answer your question.

1. Why do you assume your web site has been banned?

2. Is the Googlebot currently crawling your site on a regular
   basis?

3. Have you engaged in any of the practices that Google specifically
   lists as a reason to be dropped form its index?

4. Are all those links listed in 'contain the term' affiliate links
   do a majority of those produce income to the site linking to your
   if a sale is generated?

5. Have you used automatic rank checking software?

6. Are you a member of a link exchange or link farm? (I didn't find
   evidence of this, since I couldn't find even a single link FROM\
   your site, even though I didn't check every single page 
   on your site.

7. Have you made any significant changes to your site that isn't 
   immediately evident by checking it against a cached version?


In order to help answer your question, the answers to the above
questions will help to determine if this is merely a glitch or if
there is a reason your site may be banned. If it has been banned,
perhaps we can help correct the problem and get your site reinstated.

Lastly, while you do have a listing in DMOZ.org, performing a search
for your domain, www.kellysultimatesports.com, with or without the
"www" produces no results. That is unusual, too. As a rule, if you are
listed in DMOZ, your site can be found by a search on your domain. I
have no idea what this signifies, but it is an anomaly with DMOZ.

I'll await the answers to the question, and perhaps we can determine
what the problem is.

Thank you,

Serenata
Google Answers Researcher

Request for Question Clarification by serenata-ga on 10 Apr 2004 18:34 PDT
Hi kusultimate

Giving credit and thanks to my colleague, Denco-ga; and with some
further digging, it would appear that your site may indeed have been
penalized and that is why it no longer appears in Google's index.

As I said, above, only Google can confirm one way or another whether
or not you have been banned; however, it would appear that there are a
lot of sites with basically the same content ... something Google and
the other search engines frown on. This is considered 'spamming' or
attempts to 'game the system', and if we can find these pages, so can
Google's and the other search engines' crawlers.

Here are some of the sites I found ...

http://www.allbaseballbats.com/
http://www.demarinisoftballbatsbaseballbats.com/
http://www.worthsoftballbatsbaseballbats.com/
http://www.eastonsoftballbatsbaseballbats.com/
http://www.demarinibaseballbats.com/

www.allworldbats.com - which redirects to http://www.kellysultimatesports.com/

Also:

http://www.abat4u.com/


If there are others, it might be time to reconsider how you're
presenting the sites and what you want to do about them.

Don't be surprised if this affects your ranking in other search
engines, as they often pay attention to what is going on in another
search engine or directory.

If this works as an answer, let me know, and I'll post it as such
along with information on what you can do to get back in Google's good
graces.

Regards,
Sereanta

Clarification of Question by kusultimate-ga on 11 Apr 2004 06:58 PDT
These webistes are affilates of mine. The allworld page i did so long
ago that i really did not think much of it but it could be taken off
redirect right away if it is a problem. The affiliates work off the
same dynamic page and same data base but with different url's. Not
sure why it would be a problem but if it is , i would need some advice
on that. Another one of my affillate sites was also banned from google
along with kellys at the same time last march and it is
http://www.softballunlimited.com seems that when my internet host was
about to launch softballunlimited, they put it on a 48 hour redirect
to kellysultimate but for some bone head reason i still dont get to
this day. Google bot came to the site softballunlimited and cached it
looking exactly like kellys and within 1 week both were gone from
google and neither one looks like it will be allowed to be indexed
again. i have webtrends software which show that google bot stills
come to both site on a regular basis but neither one ever gets put
back in. dmoz dropped both sites right after google did???
kellys links are all legit and are the results of it being listed at
the top of yahoo and google, aol and the rest for 2 to 3 years
straight. If kellys was to be reinstated it would shoot high in the
ranking i believe just like before. i have been a platnum account
ewith google and a premium account with yahoo for 3 years now in the
pay per click programs but just would like to see how to get kellys
back on track in the directories again.
Please advise and thatnks for your time.Mike kelly
Answer  
Subject: Re: Why was my website banned by google and how to get it reinstated?
Answered By: denco-ga on 12 Apr 2004 13:24 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Howdy Mike,

Serenata suggested I should Answer your Question.  Much thanks to Serenata
for all of the work put into this one.

As Serenata alluded to, we are independent contractors for Answers, and
have no inside knowledge of the Google search engine, etc. and only they
know ultimately why your site appears to have been banned.

I am a former owner/operator of a web hosting company, and have had too
much experience with exactly your situation.  You might not be happy with
the following, but it is just the reality of the situation.

That said, and repeated from above for emphasis, from the Google Guidelines:
://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

"Quality Guidelines - Specific recommendations:
...
- Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially
duplicate content."

WebProNews covers this subject quite well in their "Using Multiple Domains
With Duplicate Content" article.  You should read the complete article for
more good advice.
http://www.webpronews.com/ebusiness/seo/wpn-4-20030311UsingMultipleDomainsWithDuplicateContent.html

"Changing domains is a bad idea, and so is using multiple domains with
duplicate content. This is a ticking time bomb right now for this client.
...
Using multiple domains, with identical content, to link to one domain, is
usually considered 'spam' by Google and other search engines. Google will
penalize duplicate content, as will other search engines, and if they
consider the problem to be very large, they may even 'ban' all of these
domains.
...
If you have multiple domains, they should all redirect to the same domain,
either through a DNS entry, or by having the server return a '301 Moved
Permanently' status code."

Let's look at this from the search engine viewpoint.  They want the searcher
to get good, relevant content (results to their search) with value.  If the
searcher gets several pages that are essentially the same page that is
repeated several times, they feel they haven't received those results.

So, in this sense, you are actually doing yourself more harm than good, even
outside from the very real chance that you get banned from search engines.

Do yourself a big favor and have your DNS (Domain Name Server/System) set so
all of your domain names point to just one domain.  Pick the best domain name
that you have, and make that your only site, and then concentrate on making
that the best site you can.

Promote and expand that web site.  Follow the guidelines provided by the
search engines.  Bring all of your product categories to the main page; don't
hide the pitching machines two levels down, etc.  Don't use "tricks" such as
keyword stuffing.  After some time, you can phase out all of the extraneous
domain names and save yourself some money as well.

If you provide a quality web site, people will like it, sites will link to
it because it is of quality, and search engines will treat it well.  I have
a site that has a 7/10 rank by doing just these things.

I like the following domain name of yours, and it is appears to rank as well
as any of your sites.
http://www.allbaseballbats.com/

You could also start fresh on a new site, avoiding the duplication of your
current sites, and point everything to it as well.  The following domain
name is available, for instance:
http://www.nothingbutbats.com

That would mean starting from scratch, and probably should only be done if
you can't point all of the domain names to one site as quickly as you should.

If we could find this duplicate content so easily, it is only a matter of
time before the rest of your sites are discovered, with possibly the same
results, or worse.  The bottom line is that you need to resolve this as
soon as possible.

You might want to do the below search on Google for all sorts of links to
discussions about other things you should do, such as making sure links to
your current sites get updated to reflect whatever changes you make.

If you need any clarification, feel free to ask.


Search Strategy: Personal experience as a former ISP owner.

Google search on: "duplicate content" "multiple domains"
://www.google.com/search?q=%22duplicate+content%22+%22multiple+domains%22

Looking Forward, denco-ga - Google Answers Researcher
kusultimate-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
The redirects were also suggested to me by my Google Platinum account
manager when i explained my situation ti him. i will get that done on
all except allbaseballbats which google seems to favor somewhat.
Thanks for an excellent answer. Mike

Comments  
Subject: Re: Why was my website banned by google and how to get it reinstated?
From: denco-ga on 10 Apr 2004 14:30 PDT
 
To Serenata,

You might want to check out:

http://www.worthsoftballbatsbaseballbats.com/
http://www.eastonsoftballbatsbaseballbats.com/

Looking Forward, denco-ga - Google Answers Researcher
Subject: Re: Why was my website banned by google and how to get it reinstated?
From: denco-ga on 13 Apr 2004 20:31 PDT
 
Glad to have been of service Mike.  I am sure you will get it all sorted out,
and be better off for it as well.  Much thanks for the 5 star rating and kind
comment!  Thanks again to Serenata for the great information.

Looking Forward, denco-ga - Google Answers Reseacher

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