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Modern War: War on Terror
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: mooflaman67-ga List Price: $15.00 |
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11 Apr 2004 20:25 PDT
Expires: 11 May 2004 20:25 PDT Question ID: 328744 |
I would like information on how, in the U.S.'s war on terror, helicopters, tanks, artillery, and other such traditional weapons are still needed, despite the new face of terrorism. Is the U.S. military justified in continuing to spend money on what some see as "anachronistic" weapons? |
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Re: Modern War: War on Terror
Answered By: politicalguru-ga on 17 Apr 2004 17:35 PDT |
Dear Mooflaman, As the commentators (esp. Alan Kali, but also Alex) have noted, there is a problem in the definition of who is a terrorist. A self-declared "War on Terrorism" could be pointed against a variance of weapons, enemies and methods. First of all, one should distinguish between high intensity conflicts (war) and low intensity conflicts (=guerrilla fighting and terrorism). Weapons are being changed all the time. In Medieval times, men used to fight with swords and spears. The industrial revolution brought with it the usage of automated weapons, vehicles, and other motor equipment. In the last several decades we are facing a new revolution - the information revolution, which introduced new weapons and techniques to the army. This is the so-called "Revolution in Military Affairs" (RMA). The usage of satellites, computers and "smart bombs" could be all categorised under this latest development. The American Military is facing this question that you raise and discusses it. You can see an old, but important, document, here: *FM 7-98: OPERATIONS IN A LOW-INTENSITY CONFLICT <http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/7-98/f798.htm>. The so-called "War on Terrorism" could be divided into two: high intensity conflict ("regular" war), like operation ?Iraqi Freedom?; and low-intensity conflicts, who are mainly against guerrilla fighters and irregular troupes. The Military hardly deals with "regular" terrorists, and when fighting guerrilla - bringing the military forces to the place of action is essential, hence the usage of machine such as helicopters (to mobilise troupes). Arial transportation and warfare is becoming more and more important to the success of low-intensity conflicts. The guerrilla fighters have advantage in the territory, and traditional mobilisation and warfare will not fare well in these areas. However, guerrilla fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan gained anti-aircraft missiles, and the advantage of aerial operations is now somewhat diminished. See more about it at: TIMOTHY L. THOMAS , "Air Operations in Low Intensity Conflict" Aerospace Power Journal - Winter 1997 <http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj97/win97/thomas.html>. In Low Intensity Conflicts, small units have great significance, while using what you might call "traditional weapons". Thinking is being done all the time - for example, tanks are hardly being produced anymore as well as other machines or vehicles that do not fit the RMA. Read more: Fighting Terrorism, Avoiding War - The Indo-Pakistani Situation by Peter R. Lavoy, Joint Forces Quarterly, 2002 <http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/jfq_pubs/0732.pdf>. Victory in Low-intensity Conflicts by MAJ Matthew Kee Yeow Chye, Journal of Singapore Armed Forces, Journal V26 N4 (Oct - Dec 2000) , <http://www.mindef.gov.sg/safti/pointer/back/journals/2000/Vol26_4/4.htm>. CONFLICT BETWEEN AND WITHIN STATES, PERSPECTIVES, a CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE publication, Report # 2000/06, August 8, 2000 <http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/eng/miscdocs/200006_e.html>. Military Operations Against Terrorist Groups Abroad: Implications for the United States Air Force, 2003 <http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1738/> Aerospace Operations in Urban Environments: Exploring New Concepts, 2000 <http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1187/> Jochen Hippler, Low intensity warfare and its implications for NATO, <http://www.jochen-hippler.de/Aufsatze/low-intensity_conflict/low-intensity_conflict.html> To sum up: some of the "traditional" weapons do diminish, others are used in different ways than was originally intended; new weapons are being developed, to deal with the new threat. Intelligence and information technology continues to be a main component in today's usage of weapons - old and new. SEARCH STRATEGY: "high intensity conflict?, "low intensity conflict", terrorism, weapons. Most importantly, I talked with an expert on the subject. I hope this answered your question. Please contact me if you need any further clarification on this answer before you rate it. |
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Re: Modern War: War on Terror
From: mralex-ga on 12 Apr 2004 13:59 PDT |
Seems like kind of a loaded question. Of course, we are starting with a loaded term, "War on Terrorism." Terrorism is a tactic, not a specific enemy. Assume for the moment that we really mean, "War on Al-Quaeda" or even more broadly, "War on Militant Islamic Fundamentalists" which would include Al-Quaeda's like-minded allies. In that case, traditional military hardware is sometimes useful at certain stages of confronting militants, but only in the context of a broader approach that would include diplomacy with countries where they operate, cooperation with international financial organizations that enable such groups to move and access their financial support, as well as traditional espionage and law enforcement efforts to identify and apprehend their members. That said, terrorism is hardly the only conflict the US and other nations face today. Traditional weapons may be useless in tracking down an al-Quaeda sleeper cell waiting to park a car bomb outside an embassy, but they are vital as deterrents and in the event of conflict in other parts of the world. Two likely flashpoints where US military force could be called to action in the coming years are in the Pacific--China/Taiwan, and North Korea. Here is one final scenario, one more relevant to the question and situation at hand. The invasion of Iraq was old as a pre-emptive strike against a regime that was in imminent danger of striking back at us. I believe that was a false premise, but I do believe that the standard criticism of our involvement in Iraq - "blood for oil" - is the only compelling reason for our continued involvement there. Saudi Arabia sits on top of the world's largest proven reserves of oil, and Iraq is on number 2. The Saudi Royal family holds its power with force and through strained alliances... the Saudi people have no great love for their king. They have uneasy alliances with fundamentalist Islamic groups (not too far removed from al-Quaeda) and it is not unthinkable, in fact, it quite probable that we could see a militant Islamic group seize control of Saudi Arabia. Now consider that Iraq, on the verge of civil war, could easily be overtaken, ironically even as the outcome of a US-backed democratic election, by radical anti-US factions. This would leave control of much of the world's oil in the hands of a group determined to dominate the globe, and with their hands on the lifeblood of Western economies. I'll tell you, if that happens, I hope to hell we do have a military strong enough and capable enough and with enough modern weapons to seize middle eastern oilfields. |
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Re: Modern War: War on Terror
From: alkali-ga on 12 Apr 2004 17:52 PDT |
Mr. Alex, Your answer is honest, bold and thoughtful; I am impressed. One additional issue in regards to the word "terrorism": I have noticed that it has been applied to the sporadic outbreaks of violence in Iraq since the official cessation of hostilities, but that approximately one week ago, concomitant with the outbreak of widespread uprising, media outlets began referring to attacks by using the word "guerilla" instead of "terrorist". This happened even though the tactics were the same. It seems therefore that the word, "terrorist", as it is commonly used today, may refer less to a tactic of warfare than to the behaviour of individuals or groups with which the mainstream of society disagrees, and whom we wish to portray as disturbed, disaffected or otherwise not representative of widely held beliefs. In the space of one week, a "terrorist" sniping at Marine convoys from a concealed location in Fallujah becomes a "guerilla", based simply upon the fact that it strains credibility to refer by any other name to the actions of a movement which may represent a significant fraction of a population. Best Regards, Alan Kali |
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Re: Modern War: War on Terror
From: mralex-ga on 13 Apr 2004 14:05 PDT |
Alan: Of course... one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter or martyr. For reasons in my comment above, I don't like the term "War on Terrorism" as a the US government's rallying cry. The problem is that for any war to succeed, there has to be a clear objective that can be attained; "terrorism" can never be completely defeated. A cycnical view is that the government likes it this way--we can always redefine terrorism as time goes on to suit our needs, and use the fear and urgency of war to ask for sacrifice and expediency. Same with the "War on Drugs." One thing that gets back to the original question is what value are tanks and helicopters against a terrorist? The problem partly lies with the fact that we still view "war" in WWII terms, where the enemy was a nation seeking to achieve its goals with armed force, which we responded to with our own armed force. In WWII, the soldiers were motivated by patriotism and nationalism and a sense of duty. The armies fought as logistically complex units, and could be attacked along supply lines or command and control lines. Defeat the head of state, and the army stops fighting. The enemy we have now, however, does not fight that way. We call them terrorists, and by extension, lunatics and madmen--willing to die for their 72 virgins, my, how uncivilized. There is truth in the charge of fanaticism--there is no shortage of volunteers of suicide attacks. But what are they trying to achieve? How does attacking the US help them achieve their goals? I have heard that they hate us because we don't know why they hate us. They hate freedom and democracy. They envy our wealth and power. They hate our support of Israel and our presence in the Middle East. Some half truths there, some propoganda. What they dream of is a new Islamic Empire. They see moderate, secular governments in Islamic countries as targets. Their goal is to destablize and overthrow such governments and replace their leaders with radical fundamentalists and institute sharia law. Ironically, Saddam's government was secular, and by removing him and creating a power vacuum in Iraq we may end up helping them achieve what they want in Iraq. The goal is a network of Islamic states, which holds a position of dominance in the world thanks to its control of oil. Attacking the US is not an effort to defeat the US governemnt... it is an effort to limit US influence in the Middle East. Bin Laden and his followers learned in Aghanistan in the 80s against the Soviets that a determined force willing to endure hardship can defeat a Superpower. They hope to do the same with us. |
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Re: Modern War: War on Terror
From: mooflaman67-ga on 15 Apr 2004 21:09 PDT |
Mr. Alex: It seems as if you are hinting at a conception I have pondered before. Many civilizations, societies, etc., use a promise to return to a previous glory as a motivating force. We see this in Mussolini's (sp?) Fascist Italy, the Golden Age being the Roman Empire, and through Fascism they could achieve a return to it. Looking to Hitler and the Germanic conquests of Europe over the ages, we see the same. Countless dictators and despots have used the method. What I am getting at here is that these terrorists, martyrs, be what they may, are attempting to establish an Islamic Empire (such as you suggested) to rival the Muslim empires of the Crusading ages, such as the Seljuk Turks, Ottomans, etc. Perhaps our more traditional weapons do act as deterrents to the foundation of a radically conservative Islamic empire. However, deterrence and exacerbation seem to be two sides of the same coin. While this overpowering firepower may be a deterrent to widespread military/terrorist action, could it not be a motivating factor for recruitment for al-Qaeda and the like? Drawing upon these historical notions of "the other", that is, some culture different from your own, invading your homeland seems to be the fashionable thing to do for these terrorists. So here is my question: Is the continued production and use of these weapons, indeed, of U.S. global military action, an effective foreign policy for the U.S.? |
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Re: Modern War: War on Terror
From: mralex-ga on 17 Apr 2004 13:14 PDT |
Back to your original question: Are conventional weapons useful to US foriegn policy? In my opinion: US leadership, namely Bush, has completely fumbled the ball in his use of the military in Iraq. He is, as you note, doing more for bin Laden's cause than ours. But the fact that Bush and his administration lack the judgement to use the military effectively does not mean that it can't be done. In many cases, simply having the power ensures the peace. I believe the US used it's military at least partially effectively in Bosnia, and I think we also effectively used our military in Gulf War 1, although we disengaged to soon. As I pointed out before, there are other areas in the world that could be potential conflicts that we may need to respond to--China is a big one, either in Taiwan, on the Korean peninsula, or the Spratley islands, to name a few candidates--our involvement in Iraq weakens our ability to respond or even appear capable of responding, which may embolden China or its satellites. The problem now is that we gotten into this mess and we need to find a graceful way out. I believe it is going to get worse before it gets better regardless of who wins in November. |
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Re: Modern War: War on Terror
From: omnivorous-ga on 17 Apr 2004 16:17 PDT |
You might want to take a look at Seymour Hersh's article in the April 12, 2004 New Yorker Magazine. "The Other War". Hersh, who has a fine reputation as a military reporter, notes that DoD has done it's own analysis of the war in Afghanistan -- done by the office of Special Operations and Low Intensity Conflict and Army Col. (Ret.) Hy Rothstein. Rothstein treats the timing and use of technology and is critical of the application of the Rumsfeld doctrine of applying technology instead of traditional forces and manpower. Not surprisingly, the Pentagon has tried to keep Rothstein's analysis secret. Best regards, Omnivorous-GA |
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