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Are there any popular betting exchanges other than betfair.com?
Category: Sports and Recreation > Games Asked by: opicak-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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25 Jun 2002 12:17 PDT
Expires: 25 Jul 2002 12:17 PDT Question ID: 33055 |
A betting exchange is a web site where visitors can bet against other visitors on a range of events. Unlike traditional betting where there is a bookmaker who sets the odds and punters who either take the offered odds or walk away, a betting exchange allows both "backers" and "layers" to specify the odds they would like. This eliminates the bookmaker, and generally results in more favourable odds for the punter. The exchange generally holds cash for both the backer and the layer to ensure that the loser pays. I have been using http://www.betfair.com/ , a UK based exchange, which claims to be turning over in excess of 40 million pounds sterling in bets per *week* ($60 million or so, I guess - I'm not too hot on exchange rates, but a lot of money, anyway). My question: are there any other betting exchanges with anything like the same turnover? I would guess that there must be something similar in other countries. Perhaps US law forbids such sites, but what about elsewhere in the world, or perhaps some little tax haven somewhere? It would seem strange to me if a British one is the biggest betting exchange in the world. I've found a few other betting exchanges, but they are tiny in comparison, and consequently tend to offer inferior odds. Ideally I would like to see a list of sites, with the following specified: URL, approximate turnover, minimum initial deposit, minimum bet size, commission charged. But I'll settle for just the URLs... :o) Thank you. |
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Re: Are there any popular betting exchanges other than betfair.com?
Answered By: eiffel-ga on 25 Jun 2002 14:04 PDT Rated: |
Hi opicak, It's not surprising that the UK is such a big gambling centre. Sports gambling enjoys a favorable legislative framework in the UK under the Betting, Gaming and Lotteries Act 1963: http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2002/draft/20022363.htm However, some betting exchanges operate from the UK but incorporate in Dublin or elsewhere for tax purposes. There are also a few betting exchanges operating from Australia and Asia. You have asked for URLs, and if possible for other details. I have been unable to find out approximate turnover, but I have listed other information where it seems useful. Here are some betting exchanges: "I Bet You're Wrong" http://www.ibetyourewrong.com/ The company claims to be located in Dublin, Ireland, and the helpine has an Irish phone number, but the website has an Australian gambling counseling message and closes at midnight Australian time for a daily update. Currency: US Dollars Minimum bet size: $20 Commission charged: $2 for wins up to $50, $5 for wins above $50 Preferred payment method: PayPal Asian Flutter http://www.asianflutter.com/ This company handles bet exchanges on the "Asian Handicap" system, where bets can specify a goal advantage. Commission charged: 7.5% spread Preferred payment method: PayNow (an asian service similar to PayPal) BestDAQ https://www.bestdaq.com/bestdaq/ This is another Asian company. They allow players to hedge positions or take a number of options without tying up more funds than are necessary to cover the maximum loss. Currency: US dollars, Hong Kong dollars, Singapore dollars, Thai Baht, Taiwan Dollars or Japanese Yen. Languages: English, Chinese, Japanese, Malay, Thai. Bet-Ex http://www.betserver.com/bethelp/ Bet-Ex is operated by the London International Bet Exchange Limited, and claim to be the world's first international bet exchange. The company is registered in England and Wales. They offer Win/Lose, Handicap and Asian Handicap betting, and their user manual takes care to explain the different ways used to express betting odds worldwide. Unusually, Bet-Ex do not offer a browser interface. Instead, it is necessary to download and install custom software to use their service. Minimum bet size: $10 Prefered payment method: Credit card, debit card or bank transfer Commission charged: 5% on winning bets Intrade http://www.intrade.com/ Intrade is a little different: they trade sports contracts like futures contracts or shares. Intrade operates the marketplace, but takes no position in that market. Intrade plc is a Dublin-based Republic of Ireland public limited company. Currency: Pounds sterling Preferred payment methods: credit card and debit card Charges: GBP 0.04 per trade, GBP 0.06 per expiry. Interest is paid on member funds over GBP 5000. Footy-mad https://www.odds-mad.co.uk/footymad/index.html Footy-mad is a betting exchange which accepts bets based on a result part-way into a game. Footy Mad is a private limited company registered in England and Wales. Commission charged: 5% on winning bets Currency: US dollars Preferred payment method: credit card Parbet http://www.parbet.com/ Parbet is another betting exchange organised like a market, giving bettors the possibility to buy and sell on the outcome of sport events. Parbet has a London mailing address. Currency: Euros Commission chaged: 5% on winnings My Bet Your Bet http://www.mybetyourbet.com/ My Bet Your Bet Limited is registered as a limited liability company in England, although their bank is in Copenhagen, Denmark. Currency: Pounds sterling Preferred payment methods: PayPal, credit card, cheque, bank transfer Commission charged: 5% on winnings Minimum bet: £1 Play121 http://www.play121.com/index.html Play121 has a London address, and runs a similar operation to Footy Mad. Preferred payment method: credit card, debit cards, cheque Commission charged: 5% on winnings Finally, no discussion of betting exchanges would be complete without mentioning Foresight Exchange: http://www.ideosphere.com/ Unlike the above betting exchanges, which handle bets on sports events, Foresight Exchange handles bets for questions about the future, such as Will China exercise sovereignty on Taiwan by 2025? http://www.ideosphere.com/fx-bin/Claim?claim=Taiw Will a habitable earth-class planet be discovered? http://www.ideosphere.com/fx-bin/Claim?claim=Earth2 Will G W Bush be president on 1 February 2005? http://www.ideosphere.com/fx-bin/Claim?claim=Bush04 Bets on Foresight Exchange are for "play money", not for real money. As they say on the site, you "bet your reputation on the future". It sounds like a lot of fun though. Google searches used: "betting exchange" ://www.google.com/search?q=%22betting+exchange%22 "foresight exchange" ://www.google.com/search?q=%22foresight+exchange%22 "betting gaming and lotteries act" ://www.google.com/search?q=%22betting+gaming+and+lotteries+act%22 Regards, eiffel-ga | |
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Thanks for the thorough answer. It confirmed what I already thought to be the case. I am still surprised that there seems to be no real competition for betfair. |
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Re: Are there any popular betting exchanges other than betfair.com?
From: grimace-ga on 25 Jun 2002 14:53 PDT |
Hi - an alternative to Foresight Exchange, but for *real* money (and rather more stylishly designed): Long Bets http://www.longbets.org/ No turnover whatsoever as yet! |
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Re: Are there any popular betting exchanges other than betfair.com?
From: eiffel-ga on 01 Jul 2002 07:01 PDT |
Hi opicak, There's no doubt that Betfair is the market leader, especially since its merger with Flutter earlier this year. There's an article about this, dated 16 January 2002, at Guardian Sport Unlimited: http://sport.guardian.co.uk/horseracing/story/0,10149,634157,00.html Greg Wood, the author of the above article, claims that following the merger Betfair controls "98% of the exchange betting market." If the remaining 2% of the market is distributed amongst ten or so competitors, each of them must be quite small. I tried to compare odds and stakes on these betting exchanges, but some of the sites will only display this information to those who open an account with them. Also, different exchanges specialize in different events and it's hard to find something they all take bets on (even the soccer World Cup was not universally-supported). I thought perhaps Wimbledon would be a suitable event for comparison - but those betting exchanges which support it differ by whether they take bets for individual matches and/or tournament winner. I was not able to obtain a useful odds comparison. Nevertheless, the Wimbledon matches confirm Betfair as the clear volume leader: Betfair has £626,000 matched on the Mens Championship winner, and a further £747,000 matched on individual matches and the Ladies Championship winner. Bestdaq has a mere $293 (unmatched) on the Mens Championship winner. Intrade fares a little better, with £8000 matched on the Mens Championship winner, and a further £5000 on individual matches and the Ladies Championship winner. Some of the bid/ask spreads (for bet trading) are quite high, for example 46/58, 38/49, 27/35 on various players as outright winners. However, a viable market has developed for today's Henman/Kratochvil match, with spreads as low as a penny at times. Parbet has just 5 euros (unmatched) on a single match, whilst Play121 has about £5000 (unmatched) on five matches. So, if you wish to stick with high-volume betting exchanges, your only choice at this time seems to be Betfair. |
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Re: Are there any popular betting exchanges other than betfair.com?
From: pdarrall-ga on 28 Jul 2004 04:18 PDT |
BetDaq is number 2, if you are looking for something close to Betfair. Or the new punt2punt will allow you to create your own markets. |
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