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Subject: best practices of linking websites and sharing identical content
Category: Computers
Asked by: phillip81249-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 19 Apr 2004 16:45 PDT
Expires: 19 May 2004 16:45 PDT
Question ID: 332779
I need advice and answers on the best practices of linking websites
and sharing identical content/information pages.

Circumstances: I have about 140 clients that each want about 25 pages
(set) of specific product/service information posted on their site.
The information is identical for each site, and doesn?t change often.
Each client wants their unique page design and I was considering that
they would host the page set in a sub-folder on their website with a
link to a contact page hosted on my site. A very smart fellow
suggested that the duplicate content pages all linking back to my site
may cause a Google penalty for my site and possible my clients.

In view of this I am requesting your help. I have been reading about
different ways to setup and design links i.e.
 
Option 1: having each set of pages in a folder on my site, w/ or wo/
an index.htm page in the folder. Producing a URL as
www.mainsite.com/sub-site#1/index.htm (home). In respect that the
pages are copies of the client?s site each page will have their
navigation links back.
Option 2: place the sub-site folder on their site and only link to a
unique contact page on my site.

Some considerations: 
1)	Is having 12 or more links from the sub-site pages to the client be
harmful or helpful to ether?
2)	Repeating the above scenario 140 times sounds risky ( spam penalty)
without using Robots.txt, and I am not sure Robots.txt will prevent
problems.
3)	Currently there is a link to my site in the body of each page (copyright).
4)	Each client already has an advertisement page on my site with links
to their front page

There are obviously other designs and I don?t understand them for
example A ?SUBSITE? that uses a URL like  SUBSITE.MAINSITE.COM.

I need advice, best practices and details of the options in link design, 


Thanks,

Phil

Request for Question Clarification by mmastrac-ga on 01 May 2004 09:29 PDT
Hello phillip81249!

What you are proposing is very similar to the concept of "mirroring"
data between sites on the internet, using different styles for each
instance.

This is a very common, legitimate practice used for such large
collections of data as the Linux Documentation Project.  Do a Google
search for "ACPI-HOWTO" and you'll see that a number of references to
the same file come up, each on the first page.

I need to determine a little more about your situation before I can
deliver my final answer, however.

With the information given, it sounds like the easiest way for you to
accomplish this task is by publishing all of your client's sites in
subdirectories of your site, using the client-specific template for
each one.  I have some software suggestions that will make this part
of the task trivial, if you are interested.

I have a few final questions to clarify before I finalize my answer:

 - Do you have an example of the pages you wish to copy for each client?
 - Would it be okay to store client data in a directory such as
www.yoursite.com/clients/clientsubsite/?
 - Are you looking for software suggestions to make your page duplication easier?
 - Is it okay if the per-client copies of the pages do not appear in
Google or any other search engine?

Regards,
mmastrac-ga

Clarification of Question by phillip81249-ga on 01 May 2004 14:16 PDT
I don't know if it is acceptable to put the website link in this
message, but I am a newbie so Google Answers may forgive me if ti is
inappropriate.

The main site is aboutplannedgiving.com an example of the pages in
question is aboutplannedgiving.com/yfc/

I would love tool suggestions:):)I am currently using Dream Weaver and
making a DW template etc.

To answer the question about SE listing of the pages: I am very much
interested in and in need of the link count from the client, the
challenge is I can't have my client put a link from their site to my
main site pages because my main site is for the B2B marketing and my
client's customers would not find the info they are looking for on my
site. Hence the page set I am supplying to my client for their
customer, hmmmm hope that makes sense?

I don't really care if the pages themselves are indexed by the SEs,
however the only link my client has back to me is the copyright anchor
text and link at the bottom of the body text on the page set in
question. I thought this would work ok if they host the page set, if I
host them as a sub-sit and robots.txt out the SEs I am afraid I'll not
receive the much needed link weight. As a note: I have a client
directory were I give them a link, but there isn?t a link from them to
me. I am hoping to accomplish this with the page sets.

I can redo anything at this point ? what do you think of my dilemma?
Answer  
Subject: Re: best practices of linking websites and sharing identical content
Answered By: mmastrac-ga on 01 May 2004 16:40 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
I believe that I understand your dilemma now.  If this answer is in
any way inaccurate, please feel free to ask for answer clarification
and I'll try to refine it to your situation.

I did a bit of research on what others have discovered with respect to
duplicated content and search engines rankings.  A Google search for
"duplicatied content penalty google" resulted in a number of links,
mostly on forums discussing the issue.

On the page at http://forums.seochat.com/showthread.php?t=8510, a
member discusses the fact that only one copy of the duplicated content
will usually be returned as a result.  The other forum postings
returned by the search seem to indicate that this is the case.

Since search engines usually - now bear in mind this is a very broad
statement, since engines each use different secret algorithms and even
these change all the time - rank pages higher by the number of unique
incoming links, you'll find that even with 100+ of your duplicate
sites pointing back to your original site, there will likely only be a
small increase in your page rank.

From what I can tell, you certainly won't be harming the search engine
rank of any pages not related to the duplicated content.  It is
possible you might get a small bump in rank indirectly, as 140 clients
point to your content, which then points to your main site.  140
unique incoming links pointing at your content site will probably give
your content site a fair boost.

Knowing this, I would highly suggest hosting the pages on your own
site and not worrying about adding a robots.txt exclusion for the
duplicated content.  Since it appears to be safe for all other pages,
duplication shouldn't be a problem.  Keeping them all under the same
domain name (as you have now, with www.domain.com/client/page.htm) is
the best way to go about it.

As for tool suggestions, I highly recommend looking into Fog Creek
CityDesk: http://www.fogcreek.com/CityDesk/.  CityDesk is an excellent
tool for page templating and publishing.  You can create one copy of
each of your pages to template in the program and then use it to
publish the pages to a number of subdirectories using a different
template for each one.  There is a free starter edition that will
allow you to publish up to 50 pages here:

http://www.fogcreek.com/CityDesk/Starter.html

Once you've used DreamWeaver to create a template for one of your
clients, you would import it into CityDesk as a "template set".  You
would then point it at your site's FTP server and it would
automatically create the correct subdirectories for you.  Each of the
pages would be published into the correct subdirectory, corresponding
to the template they are using.  I've used the program extensively in
the past and it is an excellent tool for easily duplicating identical
content a number of times using a different look and feel.

In conclusion, I recommend staying with the "one subdirectory per
client" approach on the same domain.  This will by far be the easiest
for you to manage if you ever need to update the pages.  CityDesk is
also most compatible with this setup and should make maintaining this
setup a breeze.

Please let me know if I've answered the question to your satisfaction.
 Don't hesitate to ask me to expand on any of the info I've given
here.

Good luck and regards,
mmastrac-ga
phillip81249-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $20.00
Very through and complete research - Thank you.

Comments  
Subject: Re: best practices of linking websites and sharing identical content
From: sfxmystica-ga on 20 Apr 2004 13:53 PDT
 
I found this article that states the same concern as yours ... a not
so satisfactory solution has been put forth but I'll let you judge
that ...

http://www.wilsonweb.com/wmt8/se_duplication.htm

Hope that helps.

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