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Baseball - getting to first
Category: Sports and Recreation > Team Sports Asked by: lindaa-ga List Price: $4.50 |
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25 Jun 2002 23:39 PDT
Expires: 25 Jul 2002 23:39 PDT Question ID: 33366 |
Studies of which is faster, running to first or sliding to first? |
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Re: Baseball - getting to first
Answered By: not_you-ga on 26 Jun 2002 07:57 PDT Rated: |
Hi lindaa-ga, While i don't have links to specific studies for you, i do have a definitive answer: running to first is faster. The reason is that a runner is permitted to overrun first base. Thus, the runner can be moving at full speed all the way through the base. If a player were to slide, the friction caused by sliding and the decrease in acceleration caused by cessation of running mean that the player will take longer than if she had just ran. A clarification of the rules is provided by eteamz: "...A batter-runner cannot be tagged out after overrunning or oversliding first base if he returns immediately to the base..." however, a player is out if "...He fails to return at once to first base after overrunning or oversliding that base. If he attempts to run to second he is out when tagged. If, after overrunning or oversliding first base he starts toward the dugout, or toward his position, and fails to return to first base at once, he is out, on appeal, when he or the base is tagged..." "First base and home may be overrun, second and third may not." Additional Links: basic baseball rules http://www.eteamz.com/baseball/rules/basic/index.cfm?m=1,2,3,4,5 books on baseball strategy http://www.hihard1.com/books/hh1books.html-ssi Search Strategy: baseball rules first base baseball strategy Good luck with future searches! Hoping I was helpful, not_you-ga | |
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Re: Baseball - getting to first
From: weisstho-ga on 26 Jun 2002 09:11 PDT |
Slide into first to get under the throw! :-) |
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Re: Baseball - getting to first
From: mara-ga on 26 Jun 2002 09:12 PDT |
Get under the throw? From the runner's point of view, it's to his advantage to be in the way of the throw. |
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Re: Baseball - getting to first
From: hanclinto-ga on 26 Jun 2002 11:19 PDT |
While you would want to "get under the throw" (I assume meaning "get under the tag") for any other base, running to first is always a force-out, meaning that all the first base-man has to do is have his foot on the bag while he is in possesion of the ball. ALWAYS run through the bag on first. The ONLY reason why you would slide into a base is to stop on the bag as quickly as possible, and also to get "underneath" the tag. However, because you don't have to "stop on the bag" for first base (because you're allowed to run through it), and because it is a force-out (I.E. no tag needed), there is no reason why you would want to slide. As stated in the answer, sliding would only slow you down for the last few feet before you make it to the bag. That distance is better spent by continuing to run/accellerate towards first base. --HanClinto |
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Why both oversliding and overrunning are addressed in rules
From: hanclinto-ga on 26 Jun 2002 11:24 PDT |
Lindaa, you requested more clarification. "Ok, but the rules do allow for the option, yes? Overrunning or oversliding are both addressed. Why would that be?" Baseball rules are a progressive, evolutionary mass of language. My gut thought in reading about early baseball is that some players simply wanted to slide into first after being in the habit for so long. There is *NO* reason for anyone to slide into first under any circumstance, save for avoiding a wild throw from an infielder so it doesn't clock him in the head! My belief is that the additional "oversliding" word is simply there to avoid future complications with the rule. "But ump! He wasn't overRUNNING the bag... he overSLID!" Etc. You get the idea. I think that word was left in there for reverse-compatability with the old players. (to use a computer term. :) ) --HanClinto |
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Re: Baseball - getting to first
From: lindaa-ga on 27 Jun 2002 02:01 PDT |
Aw, kids. I just want to know which is faster. Are there studies or not? The verbal types say studies show...valid noise or baloney? |
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Re: Baseball - getting to first
From: wickofsyrinx-ga on 01 Jul 2002 17:16 PDT |
Out of curiosity, I looked around the web and in my own baseball files (yeah, I am a total baseball geek) for the "studies" of which you speak. Granted, my search was not deligently thorough, but I am generally proficient in web research and have a vast set of baseball material... err... meaningless trivial data. My conclusion is that either the "studies" do not exist or they are being held under lock-and-key at the National Archives. :-) Seriously, I am sure someone, somewhere did a study on the run through versus slide into first base "controversy". Whether or not that study was a landmark publication, though, is questionable. Still, you would think that with all the ridiculous information available on the mighty internet, something would show up somewhere! Unfortunately, you are probably going to have to settle for anecdotal evidence (such as the logical explanation of friction, etc. in the answer provided). Baseball is simply weird in that way. We are, after all, talking about a sport that admits its creation story (Abner Doubleday in Cooperstown, New York) is made-up anti-European hogwash, yet still religiously maintains Doubleday Field at the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown. Just to put in my two-cents, I think another anecdotal answer to your query lies, ironically,in that mystic entity known as Major League Baseball. Do the big leaguers slide into first or run through the base? Without question they run through the bag. You will occassionally see a rookie fresh up from the minors slide into first, but you will usually also see that rookie get a face full of his coaches (bad breathe and tobacco juice included)for the blunder. This would lead one to believe that major league organizations have used logic and the laws of physics to conclude that you will get to and through first faster on your feet than on your buttocks. Now watch, Murphy will strike and someone will post a scientific study about base-running five minutes after my post! If, however, that study is authored by Bud Selig -- don't read it! |
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Re: Baseball - getting to first
From: lindaa-ga on 01 Jul 2002 18:32 PDT |
Thank you Wickofsyrinx-ga! See, Roberto Alomar of the Mets recently slid into first. He was out. He insists that sliding is better. He also went on the DL once for his troubles while an Oriole. Both the announcers I listen to and the beat writers I read all hollered about the studies which show running through is faster than sliding into. Bobby Valentine responded to a beat writer about the studies by saying he'd never heard of 'em. I began to think that folks are just repeating this MLB version of an urban myth. Head first of course would be the only way to slide if you're gonna. Maybe I should try this query under the science category. Thanks everyone for your help and interest. |
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