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Subject: Computer Start Problem
Category: Computers > Operating Systems
Asked by: selmag-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 21 Apr 2004 11:17 PDT
Expires: 21 May 2004 11:17 PDT
Question ID: 333837
When I start my computer, everything loads and then the computer shuts
itself down automatically and immediately starts up again, loads,
shuts down, over and over again. I have Windows 2000, have run Norton
anti virus...Only way I can stop it is if I let it start using the
Norton disk.  Please advise.

Request for Question Clarification by feilong-ga on 21 Apr 2004 11:29 PDT
What Norton disk? Is it the Norton Rescue Disk or is it the Norton
Installer CD? Can you access Windows if you use the said disk?

Clarification of Question by selmag-ga on 21 Apr 2004 12:34 PDT
I can start it using the Norton 2003 program disk.  The CPU is
spining. I never tried booting it in safe mode.  I've had this
computer 4 years and this is my FIRST problem.

Clarification of Question by selmag-ga on 21 Apr 2004 12:55 PDT
Yes, I can start the computer in Safe Mode...and it stays open.  But I
couldn't shut it properly in safe mode.

Request for Question Clarification by sublime1-ga on 21 Apr 2004 15:34 PDT
selmag...

While the computer is started in safe mode, right-click on
the My Computer icon and go to the Advanced tab. At the 
bottom, click on the Startup and Recovery button. In the
middle section, under System Failure, uncheck the box
next to Automatically reboot. Then reboot in normal mode.

Instead of a cycle of shutting down and rebooting, you 
should now receive some sort of error message accompanying
the system failure. Write down exactly what it says and
post it back here, and it will be easier to research and
resolve your problem.

sublime1-ga

Clarification of Question by selmag-ga on 21 Apr 2004 18:19 PDT
Thanks for all your help.  The message I got was:

Plug and Play detected an error most likely caused by a faulty driver
Beginning dump of physical memory
Physical memory dump complete
Contact your system administrator or technical support group

Request for Question Clarification by sublime1-ga on 21 Apr 2004 19:17 PDT
selmag...

Were there any numbers associated with the error message?
These can be useful in determining the exact problem.

Even without these, you can probably now right-click on 
the My Computer icon, select Properties, select the
Hardware tab, click on the Device Manager button,
and have a look at the devices listed there. A hardware
device with a faulty driver should stand out with 
a yellow exclamation point or a red X, indicating a
problem with the device for that driver. Make a note
of which device this is. You may simply need to update
the driver for this device. 

Let me know any number codes you received with the error
message, and where the instructions above take you...

sublime1-ga

Clarification of Question by selmag-ga on 21 Apr 2004 19:50 PDT
The device manager did not show problems with any of the devices.
Here are the numbers you requested (hope I got them all):
STOP: 0X0000001E (0xC0000005, 0x8051885F, 6x00000000, 0x0000003B)
Address 8051885F base at 80400000,
Date Stamp 4047db83-ntoskrnl.exe

Please note that I typed all zeros, not the letter O
Answer  
Subject: Re: Computer Start Problem
Answered By: sublime1-ga on 21 Apr 2004 22:09 PDT
 
selmag...

You did well in duplicating the numbers of the error. Thanks.
The first two numbers, in conjunction with the filename,
ntoskrnl.exe, are the most important in identifying the 
failure. 

There are two Microsoft Knowledge Base articles which address
this combination. Both suggest that updating Windows 2000 with
the latest Service Pack will resolve the problem.

The first is KB287524, which states:

"When you mount a volume under high-stress conditions, your
 computer may stop responding (hang) and you may receive an
 error message that is similar to:
STOP: 0x0000001E (0xC0000005, 0x801725bc, 0x0000001, 0x0000030)
KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED
 Note that the values in the error message may vary. The values
 in this sample error message are from Windows NT 4.0."

"The fault address (the value in the sample error message is
 0x801725bc) is in the operating system kernel (Ntoskrnl.exe).
CAUSE
 This error occurs because a volume parameter block (VPB) is
 modified without being protected by a global spinlock when
 you mount a volume."

"A VPB is a structure, defined by the I/O Manager, that maps
 a file system's volume device object to the device or
 partition upon which the volume is mounted. The file system's
 device object is actually used to represent the volume (VPB)
 mounted on the actual device (physical device object). Device
 objects for physical disks, tapes, CD-ROMs, and RAM disks have
 associated VPBs."
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=287524

The solution, in the case above, is a Microsoft 'hot fix'
which should be applied to computers running Windows 2000
with Service Pack 2 installed. This is a temporary fix
which is to be resolved in the (then) upcoming Service Pack 3.


The next article, KB294690, describes essentially the same
error for computers running Windows 2000, Service Packs 1 & 2.

The solution is to update to the latest Service Pack.
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=294690


This would strongly suggest to me that you have not been
visiting the Windows Update site and regularly installing
both Critical Updates (security fixes) and Service Packs
(bug fixes). A quick way to determine what version of 
Windows you are running is to right-click on the My Computer
icon, select Properties, and read what it says on the
window that pops up. Mine, e.g., says:

System:

Microsoft Windows 2000

5.00.2195

Service Pack 4


If yours indicates Service Pack 1 or 2, you have a lot
of updating to do. If it says Service Pack 3, then you
may have a more difficult problem than I have anticipated,
though you could likely resolve the problem by installing
Service Pack 4. If yours says Service Pack 4, then I am
completely off in this, and we shall have to start over,
but every bone in my troubleshooting being is betting 
it will say Service Pack 1 or 2.

This being the case, you need to go to Windows Update:
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp

There you can have your computer scanned by Microsoft's
utility and a list of Critical Updates and the correct
Service Pack for you system will be generated.

I'd suggest you install the Service Pack first, as this
may negate the need for many of the Critical Updates
which are initially listed. Then go back and look for
the Critical Updates, and keep installing them and 
going back until you get the message "No Critical Updates".

A good tutorial on the use of Windows Update is found on
the Wellesley College website, here:
http://www.wellesley.edu/Computing/WinUpdate/win2k.html


I strongly recommend that you set up your computer to be
notified automatically when updates are available:

Go to Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> Automatic Updates
and check the box next to "Keep my computer up to date..."


Now realize, I'm posting this as an answer due to what I 
believe is the extreme likelihood that this will resolve
your problem. Please do come back and post your computer's
Service Pack level, and, if what I've written here is 
inapplicable to the resolution of the error, I will 
continue to work with you to help you resolve it.

sublime1-ga


Searches done, via Google:

0X0000001E 0xC0000005 ntoskrnl.exe
://www.google.com/search?q=0X0000001E+0xC0000005+ntoskrnl.exe

"windows update" automatic "system tray"
://www.google.com/search?q=%22windows+update%22+automatic+%22system+tray%22

Request for Answer Clarification by selmag-ga on 22 Apr 2004 06:42 PDT
I did what you suggested as far as I could.  I already have  Service
Pack 3.  When I try to install Service Pack 4, I get the following
message:
server name and address could not be resolved

I'm told I am not connected to the internet...but I am...that's how I
get the download started.  Could this be because I've booted from my
Norton program disk?  Do I have to order the Service pack disk in
order to get around this problem?
This is so hard for me.  I appreciate your help.

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 22 Apr 2004 08:56 PDT
selmag...

You asked "Could this be because I've booted from my Norton
program disk?".

I'm assuming you are talking about Norton Antivirus 2003?
I don't have this program (since I've read too many instances
where Norton AV fails to spot a virus which other AV programs
pick up), so I'm not familiar with booting from that program
disk. Is that what you're saying you're doing? If you are
booting up from the Norton AV program disk, this could prevent
you from having normal internet access, but I just don't know.

In fact, there are instances where antivirus programs can cause
a 'STOP: 0X0000001E' error. What I would recommend is to boot up
in Safe Mode (press F8 when booting up) and then go to either
the Norton program preferences and find where it says "load 
Norton AV at Windows startup", and de-select it, or, download
and install MSconfig for Windows XP, and find the startup entry
for Norton AV there, and de-select it, so that Norton doesn't
load when Windows starts. This in itself may end the error message.

If you don't have internet access in safe mode, perhaps you can
use a friends computer to download what you need.

MSconfig is a utility which existed in WIN98 and was left out
of Windows 2000, then brought back for XP. The XP version works
fine with Windows 2000, and this utility is unbeatable for 
identifying what programs are being activated at Windows startup.

You can download it from this page on PerfectDrivers:
http://www.perfectdrivers.com/howto/msconfig.html

...or from this link:
http://www.perfectdrivers.com/local/msconfigxp/msconfig.exe

After installing it, you can use it in safe mode.
Just go to Start -> Run, type in msconfig and hit Enter.

Then look for entries for Norton Antivirus on the 'Startup'
tab, and uncheck them and reboot in normal mode.

Of course, if you can locate the option in the Norton AV
program preferences, that will be easier. Still, MSconfig
is a very useful utility to have when looking for virus
or spyware entries.

If your system boots normally with NAV (Norton antivirus)
disabled, then we'll talk about other antivirus programs
which don't cause so many problems with the system as NAV
is known to do.

I'll be working at my day job today, so be patient if I'm
not able to respond until this afternoon.

sublime1-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by selmag-ga on 22 Apr 2004 12:28 PDT
Well I was able to get msconfig, Norton is no longer loading at
startup, and I still have the same problem...ie computer shuts down
and restarts automatically.
I am one desparate woman!

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 22 Apr 2004 14:24 PDT
selmag...

Okay, I'm back, and can focus on giving you quick replies for
the afternoon. You said you were able to obtain msconfig. Did
you download it using your computer, or did you use another
computer to obtain it? In other words, are you able to access
the internet from the computer with the error?

sublime1-ga

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 22 Apr 2004 14:32 PDT
Oh, also...your last clarification noted that the computer
is still shutting down and rebooting automatically. I 
thought we had stopped the automatic shutdown when I 
suggested the following:

"While the computer is started in safe mode, right-click on
 the My Computer icon and go to the Advanced tab. At the 
 bottom, click on the Startup and Recovery button. In the
 middle section, under System Failure, uncheck the box
 next to Automatically reboot. Then reboot in normal mode."

"Instead of a cycle of shutting down and rebooting, you 
 should now receive some sort of error message accompanying
 the system failure. Write down exactly what it says and
 post it back here, and it will be easier to research and
 resolve your problem."

Unless you reset this setting, it should not have reverted
to automatically rebooting. Now that NAV is not being loaded
at startup, it would be useful to again see the exact text 
of the error message you are now receiving, even if it is 
the same message.

sublime1-ga

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 23 Apr 2004 13:09 PDT
Hi Selma...

I took the day off from my day job, and an available for an
exchange of dialog to resolve your problem. Please don't
give up without indulging in this possibility. 

I'm aware that there may have been some glitches which
prevented you from receiving notification of my last two
Clarification posts, so please read those, above, and
let's see if we can resolve this.

sublime1-ga
Comments  
Subject: Re: Computer Start Problem
From: xeno555-ga on 21 Apr 2004 12:09 PDT
 
Does it boot in to safe mode (f8) then choose safe mode?

Can you boot in to the BIOS and see if the tempeture is with-in normal?

Is your CPU fan spining?

X
Subject: Re: Computer Start Problem
From: apteryx-ga on 23 Apr 2004 23:12 PDT
 
Amazing diagnostic work, sublime1!  I am surprised to hear that one
can't rely on NAV and was hoping you'd say what you do use.

Apteryx
Subject: Re: Computer Start Problem
From: sublime1-ga on 24 Apr 2004 11:09 PDT
 
Hi Apteryx...

I use a powerful yet free AntiVirus program, which is the
work of a German developer, called AntiVir:
http://www.free-av.com/

I have it set to automatically update once a day, and 
scan my system once a week. Just last night it managed
to identify viruses in a screensaver and an image
downloader, both of which I had downloaded but hadn't 
got around to installing. It also provides an entry in
the Windows Explorer right-click menu, allowing you to
right-click on a single file and scan it for virii.
Additionally, it has a component called AVGuard which
scans all files upon access and warns immediately of
infection, preventing access until you respond to the
warning.

Best regards...

sublime1-ga
Subject: Re: Computer Start Problem
From: apteryx-ga on 24 Apr 2004 12:19 PDT
 
Thanks, sublime1!  I see that that should have been a separate
question, so thanks for your extra courtesy in answering it gratis. 
I'll make a question of it right now.

Apteryx
Subject: Re: Computer Start Problem
From: sublime1-ga on 24 Apr 2004 13:35 PDT
 
Thank you kindly, Apteryx!

sublime1-ga

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