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Subject: Can't find my website
Category: Business and Money > Small Businesses
Asked by: imomimfo-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 24 Apr 2004 20:59 PDT
Expires: 24 May 2004 20:59 PDT
Question ID: 335732
My website (http://healthyhomes.internetmoms.net) does not come up in
a search on Google. Why not?  Thanks for your help!

Request for Question Clarification by serenata-ga on 25 Apr 2004 12:53 PDT
Hi Imominfo ~

At the moment, all the sites that are listed that ARE listed for the
internetmoms.net, for instance:

   - marcia.internetmoms.net
   - kimber57.internetmoms.net
   - familyhealth.internetmoms.ne
   - nancymontgomery.internetmoms.net
   - teamwork.internetmoms.net
   - proud2bemom.internetmoms.net
   - familychoices.internetmoms.net
   - debbies.internetmoms.net
   - tracy.internetmoms.net

[Note: the above was obtained by using the search term
"allinurl:internetmoms.net" in the Google search bar]
   - ://www.google.com/search?q=allinurl:internetmoms.net&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=0


all have links TO their sites, even though every site is identical and
is accomplished using frames.

It's interesting that none of those sites, including the main one,
internetmoms.net, rank high enough to be useful for the keywords
listed,

    "work at home, small business, mlm, network marketing,
     recognition, home based business, entrepreneurial,
     economical products, non-toxic, environmentally
     sensitive, no risk, ..."

You can try a search for any of the terms within the keyword metatags
for that search yourself.


Since it is NOT Google's intention to return page after page of
identical affiliate content in response to any search term, and there
is evidence Google is tweaking its algorithms to eliminate such repeat
content, it would make sense that if any of these show for the search
term, it would be the original site, and none of the subsites, such as
yours or those listed above. However, since other subdomain sites are
still showing at this time, they must have something yours doesn't
have or yours may be too new to be included at this time.


You didn't say if you have other websites (not I Mom sites) linking to
yours; and you didn't say how long ago you signed up for your own
page. This could make a difference in why your site isn't listed.

It would help to know if you have other sites linking to yours and how
long ago you were added to I Moms.

Thanks,

Serenata

Clarification of Question by imomimfo-ga on 25 Apr 2004 19:05 PDT
Hi Serenata!

First of all, thank you so much for checking into this. I am by no
means a computer expert (I have an art degree) so I have to ask
these...

Stupid question #1: How do the nine internetmom URL's "all have links
to their sites?" Is that something I should get answered by Internet
Moms? There are many of us iMoms who do place our URL's in free
advertising sites on the web, and maybe that's how those turned up for
you...?

Stupid Question #2: Why do none of the URL's, and internetmoms.net,
rank high enough to show up when keywords such as work-at-home, etc.
are used? Our business is based on people who search the web looking
to work from home and stay home with their children (hence the name
Internet Moms).

I completely understand Google's concern about not returning page
after page of identical content. That would be counter-productive.
However, I'm sitting here wondering what the other URL's have that
mine does not. I set mine up very shortly after the opportunity became
available (about two years ago). As for other websites linking to ours
(or us linking to others), we are strictly forbidden to do that -
keeps everyone on the same page so to speak, and no one goes off on
business tangents that are not iMoms-specific.

And, I just Googled the words "work at home," and on the right-hand
side of the page appears a link to im_at_home.internetmoms.net. How'd
they get to be there? Does one have to pay to get those kinds of prime
spots on Google?

If you can shed more light on this, that's great - if not, thanks so
much for your time! -Tia Miller
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Subject: Re: Can't find my website
Answered By: serenata-ga on 26 Apr 2004 01:33 PDT
 
Hi again ~

In answer to your question number 1 ~ I am sure that those "links" are
the postings to other search engines like Cyber City Moms, USA Wahms,
and those type of listings, which are generally regarded as linking
schemes.

Please make no mistake about it, every link counts, it is just that
links within rich content are more valuable than a link from a list of
'resources' or 'links' that sit on a site. And while they may be of
benefit to the subdomains, the one site they really help (if "help" is
the right word) is the I Mom site.

There are a couple of ways you can check links, one is to use the
link:tool, explained here:
   - ://www.google.com/help/features.html#link


or you can put the subdomain name in Google's search box and you will
get the opportunity to not only see links, but other sites which
aren't considered as important by Google in the "contain the term"
portion of the return.


In answer to #2 ...

If you saw one of the sites on the right hand under sponsored links,
yes, that is paid advertising on Google using Google's which you can
read about here,
   - https://adwords.google.com/select/



The reason none of the sites rank high enough is basically the fact
that I mentioned - 100 or 200 "websites" all with identical content
just won't rank and there is recent evidence those types of sites are
getting penalized by losing search engine results ranking.

Another reason could be that Google's responsibility is to the
searcher who is looking for relevant material to his query. For the
term "work at home" ... there is no real information available on the
site. There is a series of questions ... what if ... etc., but there
is no information about this "opportunity".

Google finds other sites more relevant. And other sites do have more
real information, whether or not those "offers" are legitimate or
something slightly less.

Without real content, a pretty site like 100 or 200 other pretty
sites, but no real relevant content just isn't going to rate as high
as others.

For a long time, unscrupulous webmasters had figured out ways to
'game' the system and give themselves an unfair advantage over other
sites which really should have ranked higher. These included creating
a lot of "affiliate" sites which were identical, and of course, always
had links to the main site; or using various linking schemes or
reciprocal linking ploys to increase their 'importance'.

Google is continually tweaking its algorithms to overcome those, and
has been known to ban them entirely from its index.

In case you're wondering what Google expects, it is first and foremost
to design for your visitor.

I am including important links from Google's site. This information
will help you understand Google's goals and responsibility to the web
searcher (and not the webmaster or site owner).

Webmasters who follow the guidelines and avoid Google's "Thou shalt
nots" usually have no problem getting listed and showing up under the
search terms they desire.

   * Google Today (absolutely the best information you
     can read about the "how and why" of Google's results
     - ://www.google.com/corporate/today.html

   * How Do I Get My Site Listed on Google?
     - ://www.google.com/webmasters/1.html

   * My Web Pages Are Not Currently Listed (a good 'primer'
     on how and why Google works so well)
     - ://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html

   * PageRank Information (covers both Google's PageRank and
     SERPS)
     - ://www.google.com/webmasters/4.html

   * Webmaster Guidelines (contains both the dos and don'ts)
     - ://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

   * Google Facts & Fiction (can  you buy your way to a
     high ranking in Google?)
     - ://www.google.com/webmasters/facts.html

   * Search Engine Optimizers (some good advice on what to look
     for if you're going to hire a Search Engine Optimizer)
     - ://www.google.com/webmasters/seo.html

   * Frequently Asked Questions (pretty much what it says, but
     definitely worth wading through)
     - ://www.google.com/webmasters/faq.html

   * Remove Content from Google's Index (just in case you feel
     a burning need to start all over again)
     - ://www.google.com/remove.html


That should give you some idea on how to place well. The combination
includes relevant content which really contains the words and
information about the search terms under which you wish to be found;
links from relevant sites to your own; and good HTML making it easy
for your visitors and search engines to visit and crawl your site.

I hope this helps explain some things,

Serenata
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