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Subject: Current flowing through electromagnetic field
Category: Science > Physics
Asked by: johnnyrockit-ga
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Posted: 25 Apr 2004 18:07 PDT
Expires: 25 May 2004 18:07 PDT
Question ID: 336134
Will a current flowing through a dense electromagnetic field encounter
more "resistance" than a current flowing through a weak
electromagnetic field?
How is this measured?

Request for Question Clarification by sublime1-ga on 25 Apr 2004 21:08 PDT
johnnyrockit...

Alternating Current (AC) is produced by imposing a fluctuating
electromagnetic field on a wire. The moving field produces
an alternating current.

Likewise, in Direct Current, a steady current moving through
a wire produces a steady electromagnetic field around the wire.

So typically, we think of the electromagnetic field in a circuit
as a function of the current, whether the field is producing the
current (AC) or the current is producing the field (DC).

If, in your question, you are referring to the electromagnetic
field associated with the current in the circuit itself,
the strength of the field is directly related to the amount
of current flowing through it, and the only resistance 
would be related to the wiring and other components through
which the current is flowing. For all practical purposes,
this resistance does not vary with the strength of the current
or associated magnetic field, but is constant. Rather, the
current will vary directly with the voltage applied to the
fixed resistance of the wire. The formula E=I*R describes
this relationship, where E is voltage, I is current, or
amperage, and R is resistance.

Your question might make sense if you are talking about 
applying an electromagnetic field with a source external
to, and independent of, the circuit itself and its own
inherent magnetic field. This external field could offer
some resistance to current flow by opposing the field
produced by normal current flow, but such a scenario
is not likely in typical electronic circuitry.

In light of the above, would you care to rephrase your
question?

sublime1-ga
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Subject: Re: Current flowing through electromagnetic field
From: georgiaville-ga on 27 Apr 2004 21:11 PDT
 
The answer here _may_ be a simple "no," unless you describe a specific
constellation of circuit elements.

Consider the classic cathode-ray tube experiment that measures the
ratio of charge/mass of the electron. An electrostatic field is
interposed at right angles to the path of electrons flowing from the
cathode to the screen, and changes in the potential so interposed and
the deflection of the path - observed on the screen - are recorded. We
may also simultaneously measure the current existing in the tube. Then
your question becomes: if I increase the potential difference in the
field through which the electrons travel, will the current decrease? I
venture to say "no."

Clearly this is a thought experiment, so I can't say fer sure! 

What prompts your rather fascinating question?
Subject: Re: Current flowing through electromagnetic field
From: racecar-ga on 30 Apr 2004 12:52 PDT
 
It depends on the electromagnetic field.  If the field is purely
magnetic, it cannot directly offer a 'resistance' to the current
because the magnetic force on a moving charge is perpendicular to its
velocity.  However, an electric field can certainly make it 'harder'
for a current to flow, if the field is directed opposite to the
direction of the current.  In this configuration, the 'resistance' is
greater for a stronger field.
Subject: Re: Current flowing through electromagnetic field
From: chaostheorist-ga on 20 May 2004 19:15 PDT
 
I think we will have to make some more specific assumptions about the setup.

Let's start with charges in an ordinary wire with a finite resistance.

Typically the notion of "resistance" comes about when you accelerate
charges by an electric field (this is the voltage applied to a wire,
say).  This accelerates the charge carriers, typically electrons, in
the appropriate direction of the electric field (remembering that
electrons are negative).

In free space this would lead of course an accelerating charge, i.e. a
current (which is proportional to velocity of charge carriers) which
increases with time.

But Ohm's law says that V = IR, meaning for constant voltage V, we
should get constant current I?   That comes about because in a real
physical material like a wire, the electrons very quickly scatter
(interact with electromagnetically) the ions in the lattice, often
scattering them back in the direction whence they came (thereby
imparting a tiny momentum to the wire in the process).  It quickly
reaches a statistical equilibrium and there is a net "drift velocity"
and current.

The resistance depends on the material geometry and its intrinsic
resistivity, which depends on the precise physics of the interaction
of the material and charge carrier.

As has been pointed out, a static magnetic field will not do any work
(change of energy) on the charge carrier, and so to this first order
there doesn't seem to be any significant change of resistivity with
this applied magnetic field.

The applied magnetic field will cause the Hall effect, giving rise to
a voltage perpendicular to both the current and the applied magnetic
field.   This effect is often used in sensors which measure a magnetic
field.

To go beyond this, you have to make more specific assumptions about
the structure and physics of the material.  The phenomenon is
generally known
as magnetoresitance, and for most materials and conditions it is very small.

I do not know what the mechanisms are but possibly applied magnetic fields
may result in the ions in the lattice vibrating more slowly (as their
vibration has to push against the magnetic field).  It is well known
that resistivity can change with temperature as that will control the
way that electrons will scatter off the ions.

However, some materials can be engineered so that magnetoresistance is
not so small.  A specific case was discovered in the 1980's and known
as "Giant Magnetoresistance", referring to its magnitude which was far
larger than the previously observed values.

This has some application now in the development of highly precise
read-heads for magnetic recording (hard drives).

In particular it is a quantum-mechanical effect, usually in engineered
materials (cobalt and copper layers) with alternating ferromagnetic
layers.  Ferromagnets have large regions of coherent spins (magnetic
moments).   Electrons in quantum mechanics also have property of spin
which means that they are little magnets themselves, and so can feel
the effect of other magnets (say the aligned spins in the
ferromagnetic domain).

In giant magnetoresistance, the working theory is that if you have a
high external magnetic field then the various ferromagnetic domains
will align with each other and thus make the electrons less likely to
scatter.  However, at lower magnetic fields, the spins may be
different at each domain boundary, and so the electron would feel a
randomly alternating pattern of spins.  This will result in more
scattering and hence more resistance.   Think of a coin sliding down a
smooth sheet held at an angle versus one which is corrugated randomly.
 On average the coin will be bounced back by the corrugated one more. 
 This is a rough analogy to how things work.

There is ongoing investigation in other related phenomena, "Colossal
Magnetoresistance", and "Ballistic Magnetoresistance", which depend
intimately on the material science.

So an answer is "it is possible, with effort, to engineer significant
changes in resistance of a material as a function of applied magnetic
field, but it is not easy."

Now, in the free space of a vacuum, the motion of a charge in combined
electric and magnetic field is fully solvable.  Following
Landau+Lifshitz Classical theory of fields, section 22, the motion of
the electron in two dimensions (if magnetic field H is in Z direction
and electric field in x-y plane) results in periodic functions of
time.

The *average* velocity, drift velocity can be written as  v = c E x H / |H|^2,
assuming that the velocity always remains much less than the speed of light.

So if you fix your driving 'E' electric field, then the drift velocity
'v' will decrease with increasing magnetic field strength H.  One
might interpret this as  an increase in resistance with increasing
magnetic field strength.

However, in free space the concept of 'resistance' is not so
frequently used, until possibly when you get to plasma physics, where
all sorts of complex phenomena can arise.

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