Hello,
I have 2 lines in my home for telephone service. There are 2 wires
that go into the house. One goes to the kitchen and the rest of the
house and the other goes to a seperate room. Our house is sort of old
and does not have a NIC box outside. Instead there is a metal covering
a hole in the house and inside there is a sort of metal object with 4
rods and 4 bolts. I tried to get my second line on the other room with
a 2 line splitter but it gets no dial tone. I look inside and see that
the yellow/black wires of the wire are cut. Those colors for the 1st
wire are connected. I stripped the wires and wrapped them around the
rods and still not dial tone. Would the phone company make me pay for
an NIC box? What could be wrong with my lines? The actual service is
fine because I get a dial tone on the other plugs. Please Help!

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Request for Question Clarification by aht-ga on 27 Apr 2004 00:02 PDT

ram0135-ga:

You mentioned that "There are 2 wires that go into the house". Would I
be correct in thinking that you mean there are two separate cables
that go from a telephone pole to your house, with one entering where
your kitchen is, and the other entering into the separate room? If
this is the case, would I also be correct in thinking that the one
that goes to the kitchen is the 'main number' that serves your whole
house, while the one that goes to the separate room is the 'second
number', and is only available in that room? And that this is the
'second number' that you wish to connect as Line 2 in the rest of the
house?

Thanks,

aht-ga
Google Answers Researcher

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Clarification of Question by ram0135-ga on 27 Apr 2004 06:27 PDT

You would be correct in saying that there are two seperate cables that
go into the house one into the kitchen and one into the other room. I
have 2 seperate numbers that are active. Now the only thing that is
wrong is you 'main number' theory. The one that goes into the kitched
has all 4 pairs hooked up. This cable goes through the whole house and
has the second line on it. The one in the seperate room only has line
one as only the red/green cables are hooked up outside.

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Request for Question Clarification by aht-ga on 27 Apr 2004 07:38 PDT

OK, so just to make certain I have it right... Lines 1 and 2 come in
on a cable to the kitchen, for distribution within most of the house.
Line 1 being pair 1 (red-green), and Line 2 being pair 2
(black-yellow). For the separate room, the phone company ran a second
cable directly to the outside wall of the room, and are only using one
pair in this second cable (red-green) to supply another extension of
Line 1.

You now want Line 2 available in the separate room as well.

Seems to me that the technician who installed the additional cable
run, only spliced the one pair in this second cable to your other
cable. Where do these cables meet? On the telephone pole?

Regards,

aht-ga
Google Answers Researcher

Hi,

Just want to ask a couple things.

You have two seperate phone numbers?

You have two pairs coming to your house?


For a phone to work correctly you must have a pair for each seperate phone.

These pairs usually connect to the back of your house to the pair that
the phone company provides (they provide a pair for every seperate
phone number))

You can have many pairs connected to the phone company pair providing
extensions of the same pair.


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I do have 2 serperate numbers
I do have 2 pairs coming into the house on one cable but the other one
has the 2nd pair cut.

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For a twisted pair setup you really just need the center wires (pair)
Green and Red.

History:

Back in the day most houses on got two bundles (2x2 pairs)x 2 I.E. 4
wires "sets" x 2. This was used for signaling for special devices
(FAX, ML Phone). Eventually they moved away from that (except for DL
Phone)and just went with twisted pair (Eventually they dropped the
Yellow and Black).

Ourside Wiring (Phone Company):

So, from your two bundles you have 8 wires to the house. So if your
phone installer installed two lines (phone numbers) then they should
have used Red and Green from both sets. However you now have two sets
of Yellow and Black left over. These are used incase the other set is
damaged or to install more lines (lazy way). So you should have two
pairs (one pair for each phone number) Normally Red and Green. The
phone company is responsible for the pairs going to your house and is
controlled/owned by them. So when you receive a phone line they test a
pair to your house and get a Dial Tone (DT) they connect those
"outside" pairs (usually a thicker solid core copper) to pairs in your
house (Red and Green), hopefully you get a DT. They stack your pairs
on their pairs to provide you extensions of the same number though-out
the house.

House wiring: (your side)

You are responsible for the pair from the phone company Network Box to
your phone. So if you provide the phone company Red and Green from
your house (These are polorized, meaning you can not swap them) then
you receive a DT at your phone.

So transport these two wires to your phone jack and then making sure
they are polorized correctly at your phone jack, you will receive a
DT. It doesn't matter what pair you use internal to your house, as
long as it is correct at your phone jack. However to make things
simple for yourself or anyone that will work on your internal wiring,
use Red and Green if all possable.

Phone Wire Q&A:

http://www.nref.com/phone/phone_faq.html

Tips:

Call the phone company and tell them that your upgrading your house
with CAT5 and that you noticed that you have a old Network Box outside
your house that is in poor condition and ungrounded, and was wondering
if they can set you up with a new Network Box with lighting arrestors.
They should/probably will install a nice shiny new Network Box with
dual access. That give you a side with Lightning arrestors and
connection for 3 house lines with clamp post and everything. BTW this
should be free on your part.

Well there is .50 cents worth of my free knowledge.

CIOU

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