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Improvements in baseball (esp. pitchers/catchers) since 1954
Category: Sports and Recreation > Team Sports Asked by: mikeginnyc-ga List Price: $50.00 |
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27 Apr 2004 03:26 PDT
Expires: 27 May 2004 03:26 PDT Question ID: 336869 |
i'm a non-sports person who must write knowledgeably and motivationally for a corporate client, describing as many real ways as I can that the game of baseball has improved in a half-century ... 1954 to 2004. (The client has a new medical product that he believes is a breakthrough, creates a new state-of-the-art ... and he wants to use baseball as a metaphor.) Of particular relevance to him would be any ways that Pitchers and Catchers have improved their TEAMWORK in the past 50 years ... but I may be dreaming to wish for Pitcher-Catcher examples. Anyway ... how (if at all) does baseball represent a new, more exciting paradigm today vs. 1954. I can't leave question up forever ... if I can't get a very prompt, satisfactory result, I'll have to cancel the question. yours from a non-sports head -- mike |
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Re: Improvements in baseball (esp. pitchers/catchers) since 1954
Answered By: omnivorous-ga on 07 May 2004 08:49 PDT Rated: |
MikeG -- First: thanks for accepting this as an answer. If the project's been postponed, you'll have time to prepare. (Personally, I'd start with Nathan's book of humorous baseball quotes to get you in the mood.) I've made yet another addition at the bottom -- though this is largely a reprise of previous writings. You know too, that the comment from Pinkfreud was worth $50 all by itself!! I AM a big baseball fan and the biggest single change in baseball has come in the past 10 years in the application of Sabermetrics to baseball. Sabermetrics is named for the Society for American Baseball Research (SABR) and one of the founding lights is Bill James. Sabermetrics is basically putting statistical analysis tools to work on baseball's conventional wisdom. A typical question might be: "Is the stolen base worth it?": http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.17948/article_detail.asp The following Google search strategy will bring up a ton of useful information and quotes: Sabermetrics + "Bill James" Let's get on to the impact on pitchers and catchers. One of the solid ways in which statistical analysis has worked on pitchers and catchers is the understanding that a L-L matchup or a R-R matchup (LH batter vs. LH pitcher) generally gives a strong advantage to the pitcher, as measured by batting average. But, quite frankly, the major changes have been in the MANAGEMENT of pitchers. Some examples: * It is far more common today for pitches to be called by the manager or pitching coach from the dugout (using hand signals). It was virtually never used in the 1950s. * Pitchers work to a pitch count. Mensaboy makes reference to it: in the 1950s pitchers were still routinely throwing all 9 innings and making 150-200 pitches. If you turn on a broadcast today, you'll find that virtually every pitcher is working on a 100-pitch pitch count (they lengthen it to 125-130 pitches later in the year). We've learned a lot about what injures a pitcher's arm and it's strongly correlated to having them throw too many pitches. * Young pitchers are VERY closely monitored for work. Bill James' work showed that over-work among pitchers under age 25 was strongly correlated to career-ending injuries. * Everything is statistically based, particularly in the last 5 years as new monitoring services have made a broad array of statistical tools available. Pitchers (and catchers) will know the precise tendencies of a hitter -- and be able to see their success rate with types of pitches and location. (If you watch Fox Sports excellent national broadcasts, they'll show those tendencies graphically for certain batters). * Pitchers and teams today don't hesitate to seek out outside help from orthopedic doctors, where in the 1950s the medical management was ALL folklore. (Pitchers were often urged to throw more in the face of stiffness or pain.) * Because pitchers are on a tight pitch count, the percentage of innings that relief pitchers are in a game has dramatically increased since the 1950s. We've also created a new statistic called the "save" -- and the use of "closers" who pitch only 1-2 innings have become a dominant strategy. "Closers" didn't even exist in the 1950s. A good Google search strategy here: "Tommy John surgery" + doctor http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2003-07-29-tommy-john-arms-overworked_x.htm http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2003-07-28-tommy-john-q-and-a_x.htm --- This is hardly a complete analysis -- and I'll probably think of an addition or two during the day today on Friday. I might also recommend a baseball book or two. Since you're working with a client and want to understand the sport, let me suggest something light: "Baseball Quotations," by David Nathan (Ballantine, 1991). It will give you LOTS of humor to work with -- and ALSO explain how veterans think about the game. Yes, there are chapters on pitchers and relief pitchers! --- I told you that I'd think of another resource or two. Very topical and with an excellent plain-language discussion of the impact that Bill James has had on the game is in Michael Lewis' book, "Moneyball." It's the story of how Billy Beane has used Sabermetrics to create a consistent winning team in Oakland -- despite having the lowest salary budget of any major league team. Lewis' book is hotly debated only because baseball fans are argumentative. But the book is full of anecdotes that your client would love. The Amazon review is good and so too are the individual reviews: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393057658/qid=1083943270/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-5148680-6060644#product-details In any case, Beane's application of Sabermetrics is sweeping baseball. Mark Shapiro, general manager of the Cleveland Indians, is a major advocate. So too are the new general managers of the Los Angeles Dodgers and Boston Red Sox. Best regards, Omnivorous-GA |
mikeginnyc-ga
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i wish there were other choices besides the 1-5 stars ... like "n/a" or "see comments" or something. i feel as though the answer CAN'T be considered complete, in that the project is temporarily on hold, and i don't THINK i've got exactly what i'll need, but i can't pursue it further to clarify at this time. i would have appreciated a faster first response (i posted my query on 4/27 and didn't receive omnivorous's reply till 5/7.) however, i appreciate omnivrous's knowledge/expertise, and i'm TOTALLY comfortable authorizing the $50 payment, with my thanks. |
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Re: Improvements in baseball (esp. pitchers/catchers) since 1954
From: omnivorous-ga on 07 May 2004 08:17 PDT |
MikeG -- I AM a big baseball fan and the biggest single change in baseball has come in the past 10 years in the application of Sabermetrics to baseball. Sabermetrics is named for the Society for American Baseball Research (SABR) and one of the founding lights is Bill James. Sabermetrics is basically putting statistical analysis tools to work on baseball's conventional wisdom. A typical question might be: "Is the stolen base worth it?": http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.17948/article_detail.asp The following Google search strategy will bring up a ton of useful information and quotes: Sabermetrics + "Bill James" Let's get on to the impact on pitchers and catchers. One of the solid ways in which statistical analysis has worked on pitchers and catchers is the understanding that a L-L matchup or a R-R matchup (LH batter vs. LH pitcher) generally gives a strong advantage to the pitcher, as measured by batting average. But, quite frankly, the major changes have been in the MANAGEMENT of pitchers. Some examples: * It is far more common today for pitches to be called by the manager or pitching coach from the dugout (using hand signals). It was virtually never used in the 1950s. * Pitchers work to a pitch count. Mensaboy makes reference to it: in the 1950s pitchers were still routinely throwing all 9 innings and making 150-200 pitches. If you turn on a broadcast today, you'll find that virtually every pitcher is working on a 100-pitch pitch count (they lengthen it to 125-130 pitches later in the year). We've learned a lot about what injures a pitcher's arm and it's strongly correlated to having them throw too many pitches. * Young pitchers are VERY closely monitored for work. Bill James' work showed that over-work among pitchers under age 25 was strongly correlated to career-ending injuries. * Everything is statistically based, particularly in the last 5 years as new monitoring services have made a broad array of statistical tools available. Pitchers (and catchers) will know the precise tendencies of a hitter -- and be able to see their success rate with types of pitches and location. (If you watch Fox Sports excellent national broadcasts, they'll show those tendencies graphically for certain batters). * Pitchers and teams today don't hesitate to seek out outside help from orthopedic doctors, where in the 1950s the medical management was ALL folklore. (Pitchers were often urged to throw more in the face of stiffness or pain.) * Because pitchers are on a tight pitch count, the percentage of innings that relief pitchers are in a game has dramatically increased since the 1950s. We've also created a new statistic called the "save" -- and the use of "closers" who pitch only 1-2 innings have become a dominant strategy. "Closers" didn't even exist in the 1950s. A good Google search strategy here: "Tommy John surgery" + doctor http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2003-07-29-tommy-john-arms-overworked_x.htm http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2003-07-28-tommy-john-q-and-a_x.htm --- This is hardly a complete analysis -- and I'll probably think of an addition or two during the day today on Friday. I might also recommend a baseball book or two. Since you're working with a client and want to understand the sport, let me suggest something light: "Baseball Quotations," by David Nathan (Ballantine, 1991). It will give you LOTS of humor to work with -- and ALSO explain how veterans think about the game. Yes, there are chapters on pitchers and relief pitchers! --- A final note: you can't arrange to compensate Mensaboy-GA through Google Answers, as he's not a Google Answers researcher. You can tell researchers from non-researchers by the hyperlink on their screen name. Best regards, Omnivorous-GA |
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Re: Improvements in baseball (esp. pitchers/catchers) since 1954
From: omnivorous-ga on 07 May 2004 08:25 PDT |
MikeG -- I told you that I'd think of another resource or two. Very topical and with an excellent plain-language discussion of the impact that Bill James has had on the game is in Michael Lewis' book, "Moneyball." It's the story of how Billy Beane has used Sabermetrics to create a consistent winning team in Oakland -- despite having the lowest salary budget of any major league team. Lewis' book is hotly debated only because baseball fans are argumentative. But the book is full of anecdotes that your client would love. The Amazon review is good and so too are the individual reviews: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393057658/qid=1083943270/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-5148680-6060644#product-details In any case, Beane's application of Sabermetrics is sweeping baseball. Mark Shapiro, general manager of the Cleveland Indians, is a major advocate. So too are the new general managers of the Los Angeles Dodgers and Boston Red Sox. Best regards, Omnivorous-GA |
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Re: Improvements in baseball (esp. pitchers/catchers) since 1954
From: pinkfreud-ga on 07 May 2004 08:36 PDT |
Mike, Mensaboy is not a Google Answers Researcher. By posting his email address and encouraging you to contact him, he violated GA policy, and it is likely that his post will be deleted for this reason. Comments posted on the site by non-Researchers are always free of charge. If you'd like to encourage someone to develop an answer for payment, Omnivorous is an excellent Researcher, and I think he can do a wonderful job with a question on one of his favorite subjects. ~pinkfreud, Google Answers Researcher |
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