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Artificial Intelligence Law -- a construct can not be fully aware...
Category: Computers Asked by: beanthere-ga List Price: $5.50 |
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29 Apr 2004 01:37 PDT
Expires: 29 May 2004 01:37 PDT Question ID: 338096 |
I believe there is a law or rule in the area of artificial intelligence that goes something like this. "A construct can never grow more intelligent than the construct that created it." In other words, an AI is only as smart as the rules that define it. This is sometimes referenced in religion. If God created humans, the intelligence required to create humanity precludes us from ever fully understand God, no matter how smart we become. I am looking for the name of this law or rule and some material briefly describing it. I am not looking for a book or an explanation that requires a significant AI background to understand. It is possible that I have this all wrong, and such a rule does not exist. If you have made a good attempt at it (or only find a rule that says the very opposite) I am still willing to pay. Please let me know if you need further clarification. |
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Re: Artificial Intelligence Law -- a construct can not be fully aware...
Answered By: hedgie-ga on 04 May 2004 05:23 PDT Rated: |
If you do not on insist the religious explanations than there is a counter example to the AI rule, you described. I hope you will accept that as equivalent to the 'rule that says the very opposite', since existence of a counter-example proves that the rule limiting AI does not exists. Here is the counter-example: People evolved from animals, and are more intelligent then animals. And animals evolved from - lower life forms, etc One can point out that animals did not intended to evolve into more intelligent beings - but 'intent' was not specified and has no obvious meaning in the AI context. In the process of evolution, the smarts tend to increase. This applies not only tothe natural evolution but to AI processes. There is an algorithm which simulates the natural evolution on a computer. See e.g. www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/faqs/ai/genetic/top.html It does evolves more complex (intelligent) computer constructs from the simple ones. One may argue that a person who came with GA algorithm provided the smarts but there is no theoretical limit to what IQ can be achieved by this process. hedgie |
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Re: Artificial Intelligence Law -- a construct can not be fully aware...
From: pinkfreud-ga on 29 Apr 2004 07:17 PDT |
This might interest you: "Many people think that a machine cannot be more intelligent than the one who created it. How can a student be better than his teacher, then? Well, many people thought that it was impossible for men to fly, or to go to the moon, or that a machine will ever play chess better than men. It is possible, indeed, to create machines more intellectually capable than a single man. And, there are several ways to achieve this. For example, a multi expert system can contain knowledge of many experts of different areas (e.g. González, 1995). Perhaps it will not know more about a speciality than each expert which knowledge was used to create the system, but it will have a much more general vision of a problem because of the knowledge of the other experts. So, by aggregation of knowledge, a machine might be more intelligent (and more conscious) than a single human. If we 'teach'(program) a machine to learn, it could learn its way to be more intelligent than the ones who 'taught' it to learn, the same way as a child learns his way to (perhaps) be more intelligent than his teachers (of course 'one could not send the machine to school without the other children making excessive fun of it' (Turing, 1950)). This would be learning of knowledge." http://homepages.vub.ac.be/~cgershen/jlagunez/asia/thesis/1.htm |
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Re: Artificial Intelligence Law -- a construct can not be fully aware...
From: poe-ga on 29 Apr 2004 07:38 PDT |
There may well be a law that declares this. If there is, I don't believe it. There are those who would say that it is possible for artificial intelligence to outstrip that of its creators. There are also those who would go further still and claim that this is inevitable. You may well find Vernor Vinge's views on the Singularity particularly interesting. in this respect. Vernor Vinge on the Singularity http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~phoenix/vinge/vinge-sing.html |
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Re: Artificial Intelligence Law -- a construct can not be fully aware...
From: pinkfreud-ga on 29 Apr 2004 12:26 PDT |
Another version, phrased as a question: "A fundamental question is: Can man hope (or fear) that he can create machines which will become more intelligent than he? The traditional answer of philosophy is that machines, indeed, cannot be more intelligent than people simply because man is the creator and the machine the created. They supported this view with the proposition that only humans have 'original intent' while machines can only have 'derived intent.' Only time will settle this question; but, hopefully, man still must be the judge." http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/papazian/robots.html |
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Re: Artificial Intelligence Law -- a construct can not be fully aware...
From: rerdavies-ga on 29 Apr 2004 19:19 PDT |
It's also quite possible for AI constructs to become more intelligent than their creators through emergent properties. Many difficult problems have been tackled by training neural networks to recognize patterns by association. Generally, it's not possible to figure out what general "algorithms" these neural net programs are using to solve problems assigned to them. Real world experience with neural net backgammon programs is an excellent example of this. Neural net backgammon programs learn to play backgammon by playing millions of games against themselves, while training neural nets to predict the probability of winning from given positions. In this particular case, the author of the program does nothing much other than to hook the neural network up to the board. After that, the programs teach themselves. When first written, these programs outplayed world champions. In fact, human backgammon theory has been completely rewritten based on lessons learned from how neural nets work. It's not currently known whether the best current-generation neural networks are better than world-class players or not. Whether they are better at playing backgammon or not, they are certainly better at playing backgammon that the people who wrote them. Interestingly, it's really not possible to extract general rules of strategy for backgammon from the data that these neural net programs use, other than that the programs learn associatively what winning positions look like. Interestingly, associative learning is technique that world class players now use now to study backgammon. Before a world championship, top players spend several months memorizing positions and their winning probabilities as assigned by neural network programs. I spoke with one top player who said that, when preparing for major tournaments, he would literally papered his walls with thousands of positions with net-assinged probabilities, and would browse through them on a daily basis. |
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Re: Artificial Intelligence Law -- a construct can not be fully aware...
From: pugwashjw-ga on 30 Apr 2004 10:51 PDT |
Beenthere, if your seeking God`s view on his relationship to us, then how about Isaiah 55; 6-9. 9 says " For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts". Men will never know all there is to know about the things God made. And thats a big list. |
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