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Subject: crossed bottons
Category: Reference, Education and News > Teaching and Research
Asked by: delaplla-ga
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Posted: 06 May 2004 18:09 PDT
Expires: 05 Jun 2004 18:09 PDT
Question ID: 342392
what military rank for land forces do crossed battons ususlly represent?

Must come with a site address to prove it

Request for Question Clarification by pinkfreud-ga on 06 May 2004 18:15 PDT
Do you have a certain nation's military force in mind?

Clarification of Question by delaplla-ga on 06 May 2004 18:19 PDT
I think American Forces.

Clarification of Question by delaplla-ga on 06 May 2004 19:25 PDT
Also can be international too.

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 06 May 2004 19:42 PDT
Can you tell us where you saw it? 

On collar brass? On a flag? On a shoulder patch? On a cap of some kind?

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga
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Subject: Re: crossed bottons
Answered By: pinkfreud-ga on 06 May 2004 19:51 PDT
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
I am confident that the crossed batons to which you refer are the
insignia designating the rank of Field Marshal.

"Field Marshal...

Red with crossed batons surrounded by a lotus flower wreath, the
Ashoka lions emblem above the batons and five stars across the bottom,
all in yellow."

Flag Spot: Indian Army Flags
http://flagspot.net/flags/in%5Erank.html#fm

"When Goering was promoted to Field Marshal in 1938, crossed batons
were added to his flag."

COMMAND FLAGS OF THE LUFTWAFFE
http://tmg110.tripod.com/3reich3.htm 

"Since George II created the rank of field marshal in 1736, just 138
men have attained it. They include, curiously, Japan's Emperor
Hirohito, who was the 99th appointment and one that proved
embarrassing during the 1939-45 war. Even Earl Haig, the commander of
the British Armies on the Western Front during the First World War,
will be represented in the form of actor Sir John Mills. He played
Field Marshal Haig in the 1969 film O What A Lovely War!

The rank is indicated by crossed batons within a wreath surmounted by
a crown, worn on the shoulders, and all field marshals are presented
with a baton by the Sovereign."

Telegraph News: Full muster of field marshals salutes the baton
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2001%2F03%2F26%2Fnarmy26.xml

Google search strategy:

Google Web Search: "crossed batons" + "field marshal"
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22crossed+batons%22+%22field+marshal

Please request clarification if anything above is unclear or incomplete.

Best regards,
pinkfreud

Request for Answer Clarification by delaplla-ga on 06 May 2004 19:59 PDT
This is what I found, but I wasn't so sure.

Clarification of Answer by pinkfreud-ga on 06 May 2004 20:06 PDT
I'm sorry my answer didn't fully satisfy you. What more do you require?
delaplla-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars

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Subject: Re: crossed bottons
From: atevans-ga on 06 May 2004 19:53 PDT
 
Apparantly the Crossed Batons indicate the rank of Field Marshal in
just about every Military but the US.  This is because the US does not
use this rank.  Here is a list of the officer ranks in all the
branches of the US military and their insignia.

http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/insignias/officers.html

A Lutwaffe Field Marshall wore a crossed baton insignia
http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/insignias/officers.html(at the
bottom of the page)

There is one Field Marshall currently in the Austrailian armed forces
and he  wears a crossed baton insignia.
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-badges/badge-history01.htm#Field%20Marshals

The Indian Military's Field Marshall wears a crossed baton insignia.
http://reference.allrefer.com/country-guide-study/india/india196.html

According to this rich text document even the british army has a Field
Marshall that wears the crossed batons.
http://www.learnenglish.org.uk/militaryenglish/Teachers/Unit%2002%20-%20BADGES%20OF%20RANK.rtf

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