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optics and astronomy
Category: Science > Astronomy Asked by: avramala-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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07 May 2004 04:44 PDT
Expires: 06 Jun 2004 04:44 PDT Question ID: 342623 |
Why is it that a magnified star's light still appears as small as it did unmagnified? i.e. if I look at a hugely magnified star photo, the stars still appear as dots of light. If it has size shouldn't that size be doubled if we look at it through a 2X telescope? If the source of the star light is not magnifiable then how do we see it's light in the first place? |
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Re: optics and astronomy
Answered By: willie-ga on 07 May 2004 05:01 PDT |
Hi, and thanks for the question Here's a summary from "How do telescopes work?" at http://www.xs4all.nl/~lugt/tnp/starting/how_do_telescopes_work.htm "Telescopes are used for two different kind of objects; pinpoint objects (stars) and extended objects. Pinpoint objects: For these objects magnification is used to 'thin' out the background brightness, while it leaves the brightness of the pinpoint object concentrated in that pinpoint. The result is a greater contrast between the object and the background, resulting in a better detectability. The background light can be considered as a certain amount of light per area. If by magnification the area appears bigger, the light gets more spread out so the surface brightness will be lower. A pinpoint object will stay a pinpoint object, even when magnified. Thus the contrast between the object and the background gets better with increased magnification. So why do bigger scopes show fainter stars? Well, because the usable magnification range depends on the aperture of the scope. The bigger the scope, the higher the minimum and maximum magnification. BTW, you can easily check this effect. Put a high power eyepiece in your scope and take a look. Remember the place of the faintest star you see. No put in a low power eyepiece and check if you can still see that star. (Remember this is still the same scope, the aperture did not change, only the magnification. So the visibility of that faint star depended on magnification and NOT aperture) Unfortunately the magnification can not be increased forever. When it reaches 50 times the aperture in inches (or 2 times the aperture in mm) the pinpoint nature of a pinpoint object disappears. It becomes a small disk with so-called 'diffraction' rings. This disk is now increased with still higher magnifications, so now its surface brightness decreases. You'll find a full explanation at the site above. willie-ga Google Search used star magnification size "how do telescopes work" |
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Re: optics and astronomy
From: iang-ga on 08 May 2004 15:11 PDT |
The simple answer is that the stars are too far away to be resolved as disks. The larger the scope the smaller (more distant) the object that can be resolved, but it's practicaly impossible to build a telescope capable of showing a star as a disk. Ian G. |
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Re: optics and astronomy
From: rnt20-ga on 28 May 2004 12:37 PDT |
The answer from the Google (subcontracted) researcher is terrible!!! The comment above is mostly correct but note that large telescopes *can* make out the disks of the largest stars. You need to have a telescope at least 3 metres (10 feet) in diameter, though. Examples of images of the disks of other stars are shown at this website: http://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/telescopes/coast/betel.html The left hand image shows three bright star spots. It was generated using the 4.2m William Herschel Telescope (see http://www.ing.iac.es/PR/wht_info/ ). The star in the image is Betelgeuse. If you can view Postscript files (.ps) then you can also look at: http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/~gekko/papers/losalamos_jun97.ps http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/~gekko/papers/montpellier_aug98.ps These show images of the disks of other stars from the Keck Telescopes. A free viewer for postscript files can be downloaded from http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/gnu/index.htm Even the largest and nearest stars are so small that with smaller telescopes they just appear as single points of light (the resolution of the telescopes is not good enough to see the disk of the star). Most instruments on most telescopes do not have the resolution to see the disks of any stars. |
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Re: optics and astronomy
From: rnt20-ga on 18 Jun 2004 01:21 PDT |
Some nice new images of star-spots on supergiant stars have recently been put on the web here: http://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/telescopes/coast/astronomy.html#supergiants02-04 |
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