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History of "666"
Category: Relationships and Society > Religion Asked by: stressmathers-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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09 May 2004 16:48 PDT
Expires: 08 Jun 2004 16:48 PDT Question ID: 343719 |
What is the history to "666" in terms of relating to the devil, or any other relative elements. |
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Re: History of "666"
Answered By: willie-ga on 10 May 2004 00:13 PDT Rated: |
Hi, and thanks for your question The use of the number 666 as a personification of evil comes from the Bible: Firstly, it says: Here is wisdom. He who has understanding, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. His number is six hundred sixty-six. -Revelations chapter 13, Verse 18 Then, it continues later: The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. They have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name. -Revelations chapter 14, Verse 11 So, the beast himself has a number of 666, and his followers carry the mark. Over recent years, and influenced by the "Omen" movie, the number has necome synonymous with the antichrist, with the kid, Damien, in the movie, having 666 as a birthmark under his hair. You'll find a lot of interesting stuff, including articles on prophecy and its relation to the number 666, over at 666: the mark of the beast; information and links http://www.popsubculture.com/pop/bio_project/sub/666.html Hope that answers your question willie-ga Search used 666 History Revelations Chapter 14 |
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This is a very obvious answer and contains little or no acedemic basis. |
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Re: History of "666"
From: neilzero-ga on 10 May 2004 10:21 PDT |
Willie gave a good answer, except many Chritian ideas are barrowed from other religions and cultures, so it is possible that 666 predated the Book of Revelations by 1000 years or so. I'm not saying this is so, but it might be wise to search further, just in case. Neil |
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Re: History of "666"
From: stressmathers-ga on 10 May 2004 10:34 PDT |
Yea, it's not really the answer I was looking for. I know the "pop" reference of 666 comes from the Bible...I think everybody knows that, but the question is where did it really originate from. I've heard acedemics talk about how it somehow refers to Nero...which would make sense why they (christians) began using the number as the mark of the devil, since Nero made them scapegoats during the first great Roman fire during his reign. However, I'm not entirely sure the merit to this argument, though it makes for a great story. |
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Re: History of "666"
From: qlink-ga on 10 May 2004 11:31 PDT |
"This is a very obvious answer and contains little or no acedemic basis" I think that Willie sufficiently answered your question. GIGO. Maybe your original question should have been: "I know the 'pop' reference of 666 comes from the Bible...I think everybody knows that, but the question is where did it really originate from. I've heard acedemics talk about how it somehow refers to Nero...which would make sense why they (christians) began using the number as the mark of the devil, since Nero made them scapegoats during the first great Roman fire during his reign." So, "What is the history to "666" in terms of relating to the devil, or any other relative elements." |
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Re: History of "666"
From: ipfan-ga on 10 May 2004 12:01 PDT |
What you are really asking is why John the Revelator, in exile on the Isle of Patmos, in the year 100 A.D. (http://www.dwc.org/questions/Faith/revelations.htm) chose to use this allegory to describe the beast. If one assumes John, as an apostle, was blessed with prophetic vision, one must also remember that he was prophesying events to come in the latter days, i.e., right now. So what could John have seen in one or more prophetic visions--scenes of current events, likely--that would cause him to use this symbol? That is what you are really asking, I believe. Also remember that John's allegories and visions were recorded by him in Aramaic, translated into Greek and Hebrew (and other languages), and then translated into English in 1611 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version). So what we are left with is trying to interpret--today--a prophetic vision of events occurring 2000 years after the vision was had by John, recorded in a now-dead language and translated various times before arriving in English. That's a tall order. Who knows what John really saw and what "666" means? After such a convoluted history, there are any number of possible interpretations. See http://www.remnantofgod.org/666.htm. Thus, I do not think one can point to a historical basis or an academic "origin" of "666." John saw something in a vision that he knew to be of the devil, wrote it down, and now, 2000 years later we have it as "666." |
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Re: History of "666"
From: willie-ga on 11 May 2004 03:34 PDT |
I'm sorry the question wasn't answered to your satisfaction. Given that it was only a $5 question, and that you didn't specify you wanted academic research performed, I assumed you only needed the quick, obvious, response. Unfortunately I'm not a mind reader, so I was unaware that you already knew the biblical reference. In future, you might want to refer to the pricing guidelines for asking questions http://answers.google.com/answers/pricing.html Google Answers: How to price your question "Questions priced $2 - $5 -- Can be answered with a single link or a single piece of information." I'll be happy to answer more questions of yours in the future. willie-ga |
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Re: History of "666"
From: slakemoth-ga on 11 May 2004 14:40 PDT |
I am going to give you a very quick and loose version of what I believe you are looking for. (since I do not have my books in front of me). Antichrist is presented as a Roman ruler (caesar). 'Nero Caesar', written in its seven Hebrew consonants (transliterated as 'Neron Kaisar'), give a value of 50+200+6+50+100+60+200, which adds up to 666. |
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Re: History of "666"
From: slakemoth-ga on 11 May 2004 15:06 PDT |
Oh for the love of PETE!!!! forgive my first time posting goof ups and ignore the last 2 partial posts!!!! lets try again... It is very important to understand the history and climate surrounding the writing of Revelations. John was imprisoned on the Greek isle of Patmos in a period of intense christian persecution by the Roman goverment. The climate was one of paranoia and fear, and this was heightened by rumors of Nero's return. The emperor Nero persecuted the early christians with great fervor and was quite off his rocker..he eventually commited suicide when it all came crashing down arounf 68 ad. There were a few incidental emperors and then in about 81 ad the emperor Domitian took power..He also was quite a bugaboo when it came to the early christians. BUT in the 90's rumors began to circulate that Nero was not really dead, and was returning to Rome to reclaim his emperorship and he was madder than ever!! The early christians feared him to no end, and John's writings were a call to arms to the christian community to not give up the fight. He sends 7 letters off to various chruches to reinforce the need to hang with the cause,a dn then he concludes with his wild vision of the coming battle and how the God of the Christians would destroy the enemies ( Rome). There are many, many names and places within Revelations that are quite symbolic to the people to whom he was writing. Hebrew letters all have a numerical equivalent and the number "of a man" 666 was a clear reference to the "Kaisar Neron" or Emperor Nero... I quote "Antichrist is presented as a Roman ruler caesar). 'Nero Caesar', written in its seven Hebrew consonants (transliterated as 'Neron Kaisar'), give a value of 50+200+6+50+100+60+200, which adds up to 666. There is no reason to belive ( and I have never come across anything that says..) that "666" ever had any previous ( pre 90-100 ad) historical significance or symbolism. Revelations contains some wild imagery and pretty intense language, and that vague loose symbolism is what has allowed it to be constantly re-interpreted and always seem to remain "just around the corner". "The mark of the beast" was initially coins with Nero's image upon them, but nowadays its everything from a social security number to a barcode or microchip implanted in you....I will withhold my opinions of all this "Left Behind" garbage and things like that...and just encourage you to read actual historical references to the time period in question and ask yourself what was John of Patmos trying to convey in his writings in the time period he was writing.... If you get a chance try to rent/watch/record the series "Mysteries of the Bible" on A&E the show about the book of Revelations is absolutely excellent. |
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Re: History of "666"
From: adiloren-ga on 12 May 2004 09:14 PDT |
I have heard that the number "666" is related to the fraction 2/3, which is the proportion of people who wont be saved at the time of the rapture. 2/3rds as a decimal is .666> I don't know if this explanation actually has any merit- just something I heard listening to some extremist Christian radio (always entertaining). |
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Re: History of "666"
From: yakker-ga on 19 May 2004 13:45 PDT |
i've always thought the biblical author paul was the antichrist and i've recently found a book which attempts to make this case: http://www.atheistsforjesus.com/book.htm |
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Re: History of "666"
From: pugwashjw-ga on 23 May 2004 13:43 PDT |
for Yakker-ga. Your comment on Paul being the anti Christ goes against what the bible tells us about him. Paul was a rabid persecutor of the Jews and was involved in the death of Steven [Acts 6;13, 7;58]. Then one day on the road, he had " a religious experience" where the resurrected Jesus asked him, Paul, why he was persecuting Him [ Jesus][Acts 9;4]. This would have included all Jesus` followers. From that moment on, Paul`s entire life was turned upside down and he spent the rest of his life continuing Jesus` work, preaching to all people, the incoming Kingdom [Matthew 6;9,10]. God gave Paul the privilege of writing more books/letters of the Christian/Greek scriptures than any one else. About 41 C.E. Paul again experienced another supernatural vision where he felt humbled. What information that was conveyed to him came out in his writings which we have before us today. As to the 666. In the Bible, 6 is an imperfect number and the writing of it three times is to emphasise it. Emphasising imperfection and all the things wrong with the world. But all is not doom and gloom. Revelation 21;4 states...And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be any more, the former things have passed away. |
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