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Subject: Americans traveling to cuba
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: truthseeker1125-ga
List Price: $25.00
Posted: 09 May 2004 17:43 PDT
Expires: 08 Jun 2004 17:43 PDT
Question ID: 343739
I was reading that an estimated 2 million americans will travel to
cuba this year, most of them illegally through third party countries. 
President Bush announced that his administration will be cracking down
on these people.  My questions:

1- What are some of the methods used by the US govenment to arrive at
the 2 million figure?

2-What are the principle methods the US gov't uses to find out if
people travel illegally to cuba? ie,  informants, financial records,
shared information from other governments, etc

3-Around how many people were accused of violating the travel ban last
year (or the last year info is available)-  what were the
circumstatances of their travel?  ie, tourism, business, to visit
family, etc

Request for Question Clarification by denco-ga on 09 May 2004 23:31 PDT
Howdy truthseeker1125-ga,

I can answer questions 1 & 3 with fairly recent information, but because
such information is extremely hard to find, can only give you some guesses
on question 2.  Would what I am outlining suffice as an Answer?

Thanks!  denco-ga - Google Answers Researcher

Clarification of Question by truthseeker1125-ga on 10 May 2004 16:09 PDT
Hi denco,

Go ahead and post what you have.

Thanks
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Subject: Re: Americans traveling to cuba
Answered By: denco-ga on 11 May 2004 14:35 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Howdy nelson-ga,

Apologies on the delay, but I wanted to dig up a few more references
before posting this Answer.

Annually, there are around 2 million visitors to Cuba, but the majority
are not Americans.  If the ban was lifted, it appears that there would
be at least a million American visitors to Cuba.

Some numbers from "Senate defies Bush on Cuban travel" by Mary Murray
(NBC NEWS) - Oct. 23 [2003] from the MSNBC web site.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/984224.asp?0cv=CB10&cp1=1

"This year the island will service almost 2 million tourists, most from
Canada, Germany, Italy, Spain, France and Britain. Most industry experts
believe at least 1 million Americans would visit Cuba in the first year
of unrestricted travel and that the number could grow to 2.8 million
Americans per year.
...
Some 160,000 Americans ? mostly Cuban-Americans visiting family ? traveled
legally to the island last year. In addition, an estimated 30,000 visited
Cuba without permission from the Treasury Department, sneaking into Cuba
through third countries such as Jamaica, Canada and the Bahamas."

A Washington Times article by Tom Carter dated January 25, 2004 and titled
"U.S. clamping down on Americans' visits to Havana" sites similar figures
and gives details on numbers of legal/illegal visits, numbers of people
that were notified about being suspected of breaking the law, etc.
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040125-123059-1221r.htm

"Asa Hutchinson, undersecretary for border and transportation security in
the Department of Homeland Security, said in December that his department
had examined 54,000 passengers traveling to Cuba to ensure that they were
properly authorized ..."
...
"He said 171 persons had been denied permission to travel and 44 persons
returning to the United States after visiting Cuba face civil prosecution."
...
"In 2000, the Office of Foreign Assets Control sent 'pre-penalty notices'
to 188 Americans suspected of traveling illegally to Cuba. The number
jumped to 697 in 2001, but as word of the increased enforcement got out,
it dropped to 447 in 2002 and 350 in the past year."
...
"According to Mr. Kavulich, 156,000 Americans visit Cuba each year, almost
90 percent of them Cuban-Americans making authorized visits home. A small
number of journalists, academics, businessmen and humanitarian and religious
groups also make 'licensed' visits.

However, 22,000 to 25,000 Americans travel to Cuba illegally, either as
political activists or simply as tourists looking for a cheap Caribbean
vacation. Most travel to Cuba through a third country, often on vacation
packages from Canada or Mexico."

An abstract of "Cuba: potential or potential threat" published in the
Journal of the Academy of Business and Economics, Feb, 2003 and written
by Hilary M. Becker goes into depth on the socio-economic impact of the
U.S. Cuban embargo.  If you are interested in such things, this is a great
rescource.  From the LookSmart web site.
http://articles.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0OGT/is_2_1/ai_113563608/pg_3

"Of the nearly 2 million tourists visiting Cuba, only 200,000 came via
cruise ships, mostly operated by European cruise lines into Havana"

The "Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores de la República de Cuba" (Ministry
of Exterior Relations of the Republic of Cuba) claims the crackdown might
be worse that the reports above report.
http://www.cubaminrex.cu/English/libro%20blanco/paginas%20ingles/parte%202_cap%205%20ingl%E9s.htm

"US federal agents have tightened up the measures against travel to Cuba:
over 1,226 US citizens have received a letter from the Office of Foreign
Assets Control (OFAC), twice as many as in the last four years of the
Clinton administration. These notices represent the first stage in a legal
process against US citizens for infringing Treasury Department regulations
on travel to Cuba, an offence that can carry a fine of thousands of dollars
and even lead to imprisonment. On instructions from the White House, the
Department of Homeland Security has committed its intelligence resources to
detection of illegal trips to Cuba."

From the above, we can get a clue on how some, if not most Americans are
caught visiting Cuba illegally.  By examining the pattern of places visited,
such as someone who travels to the Bahamas via Canada, some people are caught.

If one travels through Canada or Mexico, there might be some cooperation of
those countries with the US.  I also imagine that a fair number bring back
Cuban products and are caught through customs that way.  Also, there are some
that apply to go, are refused and travel to Cuba anyway.  As they are probably
on some "watch" list after being denied, not a very smart thing to do.

If you need any clarification, feel free to ask.

Search Strategy:

Google search on: "Americans visit Cuba"
://www.google.com/search?q=%22Americans+visit+Cuba%22

Google search on: "2 million tourists" Cuba
://www.google.com/search?q=%222+million+tourists%22+Cuba

Looking Forward, denco-ga - Google Answers Researcher

Clarification of Answer by denco-ga on 11 May 2004 14:40 PDT
Howdy truthseeker1125-ga,

Apologies on addressing the Answer to the wrong person.  A nasty slip of the
ol' cut'n'paste.

Looking Forward, denco-ga - Google Answers Researcher
truthseeker1125-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $5.00
Thanks for a great answer.  I was surprised to read that the White
House is directing Homeland Security to  use their resources enforcing
a travel ban.  I think they have enough on their plate trying to
secure the Homeland.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Americans traveling to cuba
From: nelson-ga on 09 May 2004 19:52 PDT
 
Actually, visits to family are allowed.  You do need clearance, though.
Subject: Re: Americans traveling to cuba
From: justaskscott-ga on 09 May 2004 20:15 PDT
 
Personal comment: I find it hard to believe that 2 million Americans
-- about 1 out of every 150 Americans, or perhaps 1 out of every 25 or
so Americans with passports -- will travel to Cuba this year.  Even
200,000 seems too high.

But I'll be fascinated if someone has made that prediction, and if
there is a basis for it.
Subject: Re: Americans traveling to cuba
From: truthseeker1125-ga on 10 May 2004 15:52 PDT
 
Hi denco,

Go ahead and post what you have.

Thanks
TS
Subject: Re: Americans traveling to cuba
From: denco-ga on 12 May 2004 16:34 PDT
 
Thanks for the kind comment, the 5 stars and nice tip, truthseeker1125-ga.

All in all, the Cuba embargo has never made sense to me, especially when you
look at the cast of characters involved.  If we can treat some countries that
have highly questionable human rights records as valued trade partners, I can't
see this continued treatment of Cuba.  I agree with your comment totally.

Looking Forward, denco-ga - Google Answers Researcher

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