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Can you identify this skull?
Category: Reference, Education and News > Teaching and Research Asked by: blueroze79-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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10 May 2004 22:57 PDT
Expires: 09 Jun 2004 22:57 PDT Question ID: 344465 |
My mother and father found this skull on the beach in Monterey, CA in 1971 and it has been stored in their closet for many years, we've always wondered what it belongs to. If you can please help me identify this skull, I would greatly appreciate it. I've looked at alot of photos of skulls and couldn't seem to place it. I took 12 pictures, most next to a measuring tape, it measures 12 inches front to back, 5 1/2 inches high and 6 inches wide. It seems to be carnivorous by the looks of it's teeth. If you can think of a better angle for a photo please request it. I uploaded them here - http://share.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=EeAOHLJo4btmrsg¬ag=1 Thank you so much for your help. |
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Re: Can you identify this skull?
From: livioflores-ga on 10 May 2004 23:38 PDT |
Did you tried contacting an specialist at a natural museum in your area? |
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Re: Can you identify this skull?
From: willie-ga on 11 May 2004 00:48 PDT |
It looks canine to me, either coyote or big domestic dog is my guess, although it looks too big for coyote. Here's a domestic dog http://www.skullsunlimited.com/domestic_dog_skull.html and here's a coyote for comparison http://www.skullsunlimited.com/coyote_skull.html And here's a wolf....much heavier than your specimen I think http://www.searchingwolf.com/wskull.htm willie-ga |
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Re: Can you identify this skull?
From: blueroze79-ga on 11 May 2004 01:02 PDT |
Unfortunately I don't think there are any Natural Museums nearby, I'm in central West Virginia. If anyone knows of a nearby one, I'd be grateful to know. Thank you. |
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Re: Can you identify this skull?
From: blueroze79-ga on 11 May 2004 01:06 PDT |
I thought it closely resembled a coyote also, until I did a side by side comparison, the eye sockets seem so huge and low, and the top of the skull seems very different, but I will definitely look into the possibility further. |
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Re: Can you identify this skull?
From: livioflores-ga on 11 May 2004 06:35 PDT |
May be in a Zoo you can find the specialist if you cannot locate a museum. Oglebay's Good Zoo Rt. 88 North Ohio County Wheeling, WV 26003 Contact: Penny Miller Fax: 304.243.4110 Email: pmiller@oglebay-resort.com http://www.oglebay-resort.com/goodzoo/index.html Or may be here: West Virginia State Wildlife Center PO Box 38 Upshur County French Creek, WV 26218 Contact: William E. Vanscoy Phone: 304.924.6781 Email: olipps@neumedia.com You can also try with a veterinarian. If you can be more specific about your location, saying us the city or the county for example we can help you better. Good luck!! livioflores-ga |
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Re: Can you identify this skull?
From: redhoss-ga on 11 May 2004 06:39 PDT |
Might be a bear. Look at this: http://www.boneclones.com/BC-099.htm |
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Re: Can you identify this skull?
From: jeminicrickets-ga on 11 May 2004 07:16 PDT |
Hmm...I think it looks like a California Sea Lion Skull! http://www.azdrybones.com/pinnipeds.htm#2 http://www.d91.k12.id.us/www/skyline/teachers/robertsd/sealion.htm -picture of a sea lion skull who knows maybe it's an Alien Skull =) |
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Re: Can you identify this skull?
From: serenata-ga on 11 May 2004 07:20 PDT |
California Sealion? Check out the eye sockets, the way the "snout" dips for the nose and the incisors. http://www.azdrybones.com/pinnipeds.htm Monterey Bay has a lot of seals and sealions. Serenata |
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Re: Can you identify this skull?
From: blueroze79-ga on 11 May 2004 13:54 PDT |
I have to agree, it really does look like the California Sea Lion, I had never even thought about that being a possibility. Even the measurements sound right. And being on the beach, that's definitely a good place to find a sea lion. Thank you. It also sort of resembles the Bear also, but I am leaning toward the California Sea Lion strongly. |
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Re: Can you identify this skull?
From: blueroze79-ga on 11 May 2004 13:55 PDT |
And I am in Fairmont West Virginia, close to Morgantown, West Virginia, about 40 miles from Pittsburgh. So any ideas of where a specialist would be close, would be great! Thank you. |
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Re: Can you identify this skull?
From: jeminicrickets-ga on 11 May 2004 16:22 PDT |
your best bet would be to find an aquarium or Sea world type place nearby. I'm not sure if West Virginia has any such places but a phone book would help in that search. =) http://www.tsev.com/tsas/ - Tristate Aquarium Society they may be able to help you. Their located in West Virginia. Good Luck. |
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Re: Can you identify this skull?
From: answerfever-ga on 31 Jul 2004 17:57 PDT |
This is not an opinion. This is a fact. It is a sea lion. Almost certainly a California Sea Lion. I know this because I have a large number of skulls and skeletons from a wide range of vertebrates. I can tell you authoritatively that this looks nothing like a dog, a coyote, a fox, a bear, a wolf, a raccoon, a mountain lion or anything else. In the first place the skull is far too large for any of those creatures except bear. Second, each of these creatures has a very distinct shape. Having examined dead sea lions on Monterey's beaches, I know both that the animal I suggest lives in the area and that the skull you present possesses all the features of a sea lion. It has the carnivore dentition. It has a pronounced sagittal crest. It is precisely the right size for an eight foot long, 700 pound beast. And, since I've seen them before, the gestalt is exactly the same. I hope that helps. |
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Re: Can you identify this skull?
From: flyingshrapnel-ga on 21 Aug 2004 15:48 PDT |
This is a California Sealion skull. No doubt about that, and further more this is a male specimen by the very high sagittal crest (the middle ridge on top of skull). The skull from sealion (Family Otariidae) can be readily distinguished from the seal (Family Phocidae)by two characters. One is the sealion has a post-orbital process. That is the projection on the upper boarder of orbit (eye socket). Seal do not have this process. Second, the seal has more specialized teeth than sealion. Seal cheek teeth has 3+ cusps and looks like better described as "flame" like. By comparison, sealion teeth are more simple conical shaped. I mention seal skull here because, one might encounter a seal skull in the same general area because in the coast of N.Am, harbor seal is common. Some of the comment posting say it might belong to a dog or coyote. The dog, coyote (family Canidae) as well as all cats (family Felidae) have very large pair specialized teeth called "carnassial teeth". The carnassial set is made up by the last premolar on upper jaw and the first molar of lower jaw. These are for meat shearing purpose. Seal and sealion families don't have such large specialized set of teeth. The bear has very flat crowned cheek teeth much like human's. This looks like a very good specimen if it has the lower jaw. BTW. What is this $5.00 price tag for? Are the owner want to sell it? Let me know. |
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