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Subject: Bryan, RE: JFC and PayGal
Category: Relationships and Society > Government
Asked by: tedehrich-ga
List Price: $2.00
Posted: 23 May 2004 00:30 PDT
Expires: 22 Jun 2004 00:30 PDT
Question ID: 350624
probonopublico-ga,

I'll take you up on your PayGal offer.  Wish I could respond to your
original though...


You must be sure of your details to state them so matter of factly, so
I'll assume that the PC James Carter who died in 1934 was not the
Assistant Commissioner you're asking about.

You've also probably come across this site, but here's the link to
their "Roll of Honour" page.
http://www.met.police.uk/history/honour.htm .

I've had trouble finding info too.  One nice thing I did find out
though, was that unlike it's .com counterpart, amazon.co.uk doesn't
let you search inside books.  Try this link: Amazon.com search for:
1919 "Metropolitan Police": http://tinyurl.com/3gasa . I couldn't find
any information related to this Carter on amazon, but there are a lot
of blurbs would could lead to consequential evidence.  For instance:

"On 21 Feburary 1920, The Autocar reported that 'London Police are to
be provided with motor cars for controlling traffic, the object being
to speed up traffic generally, and the confining of slow-moving
vehicles to the kerb'. A year later the Met adopted the 11.9hp Bean as
a standard vehicle type and took delivery of several cars, following
extensive tests which had been conducted over approximately 10,000
miles. Before this, in 1919, the Metropolitan Police had been split
into four detective areas and each division had been allocated two
Crossly tenders dating from 1912, which had already seen stalwart
service with the Royal Flying Corps."

So I don't have any real information about JFC, but maybe we can
extrapolate something from given facts:

http://www.met.police.uk/history/timeline1930-1949.htm
http://www.met.police.uk/history/timeline1910-1929.htm


1919
====
JFC joins the force, probably due to strikes.

1922
====
"Commissioner Horwood admits that many of the men taken into the force
in 1919 to replace strikers and those in the armed forces have given
trouble due to neglecting their beats and drunkenness."

JFC was appointed Deputy Assistant Commissioner this year, as you
know.  Perhaps he was one of the many men hired that year who was
rather unenthusiastic about his job.  Apparently these were rough
years for the squad, with ongoing strikes ("Macready crushes a further
police strike") and the introduction of the "Women Police Patrols." 
It's likely that JFC later risked his life in the war, so this may
just be a coincidence.

1938
====
"Civil Defence starts with the formation of two Reserves in the event
of war. The first are retired officers, the second Special
Constables."

The year he transitioned from Deputy Assistant Commissioner to
Assistant Commissioner.  Perhaps the active Assistant Commissioner
went to fight the war.

1940
====
"98 Metropolitan Police officers killed during air raids."  He did not
die this year, but many others did.  This is the year he likely left
the police force to devote himself to his country.

1944
====
Given the year of his death, I fear he might've lost his life fighting the nazis.


I'm on the west side of the states, not the UK, but I hope you found
that information useful.  I sent an email to
new.scotland.yard@met.police.uk with hopes that they might be able to
find something else, or prove me wrong at least.

-Ted
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Subject: Re: Bryan, RE: JFC and PayGal
From: probonopublico-ga on 23 May 2004 00:41 PDT
 
Hi, Ted

I greatly appreciate your efforts.

It was very kind of you to address a question to me, simply to assist
with my question which is currently locked: another WORLD FIRST!

I shall now follow up your leads and see where they take me.

Very many thanks!

Bryan
Subject: Re: Bryan, RE: JFC and PayGal
From: tedehrich-ga on 23 May 2004 00:48 PDT
 
Bryan,

Glad to know you and I are revolutionary.  I'll be beta testing a few
sites I'm working on, and I'm pretty sure they're world firsts too!

-Ted
Subject: Re: Bryan, RE: JFC and PayGal
From: fp-ga on 23 May 2004 04:26 PDT
 
Bryan, I do hope your question isn't currently locked only because you
mentioned "G***** searches".
I'd like to comment and identify the initials.

Regards,
Freddy
Subject: Re: Bryan, RE: JFC and PayGal
From: probonopublico-ga on 23 May 2004 04:41 PDT
 
Hi, Freddy

You could be right! (I shall now re-post the Question with the taboo G word.)

According to Who's Who, the Colonel's names were John Fillis Carré.

Yes, I know that Fillis is a girl's name and that David Cornwell uses
the pen-name of John Le Carré.

I am sure that you agree that 'Le' sounds almost as silly as 'Fillis'.

Of course, there was Lee Marvin, Lee Harvey Oswald and Peggy Lee but
Fillis tops the lot!

I bet he got some ribbing on that.

All the Best

Bryan
Subject: Re: Bryan, RE: JFC and PayGal
From: probonopublico-ga on 23 May 2004 04:45 PDT
 
Hi, Again, Freddy

I think that you were absolutely correct!

Thanks & All the Best

Bryan
Subject: Re: Bryan, RE: JFC and PayGal
From: probonopublico-ga on 23 May 2004 05:11 PDT
 
Hi, Again, Everybody

Talking of David Cornwell, I've got a book here that has 'drawings' by
the man himself.

I bet no one can guess which book!

A clue: It was written by a former MI5 Man.

Bryan

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