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Subject: Reposting #350607
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: probonopublico-ga
List Price: $2.00
Posted: 23 May 2004 04:43 PDT
Expires: 22 Jun 2004 04:43 PDT
Question ID: 350657
I would like to find out more about the activities of Lt-Col J F C
Carter (1882-1944) during his time with the Metropolitan Police from

According to Who's Who, he served as Deputy Assistant Commissioner
(1922-1938) and Assistant Commissioner (1938-1940). It appears that he
ran the Intelligence gathering activities.

I have already run 'G' searches but these have only produced
snippets of information. Carter is also briefly mentioned in various
books and docs in the National Archives.

Would someone please amaze me?

Many thanks!


Request for Question Clarification by leli-ga on 23 May 2004 06:04 PDT
Hi Bryan

I'm quite hopeful that this is your Carter:

"Colonel Carter of the Special Branch"

Story continues:

What do you think?


Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 23 May 2004 07:05 PDT
Hi, Leli

Great to know that you are on the case!

YES ... I am sure that it's the very same man.

If you should post an answer here, please lock the other one (assuming
that it ever gets unlocked) and I will do the necessary.

But, if I should get the chance, I'll close it in anticipation of your efforts.

Many thanks!


Request for Question Clarification by leli-ga on 23 May 2004 07:44 PDT
Thank-you, Bryan

I was so carried away with my find, I hadn't paused to think of all
the complications I was causing with locked questions etc.

I'm not too confident of finding anything further - but will keep on looking.


Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 23 May 2004 09:05 PDT
Thanks, Leli

Please don't worry about a thing ...

Just get the dirt on Fillis!

All the Best

Subject: Re: Reposting #350607
Answered By: leli-ga on 23 May 2004 11:20 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
Well, Bryan, I think my first find was my best find, but I did also
uncover an Italian article confirming that Carter had close links with
Ovra, the Italian secret service, during the fascist era.

So that all the information's contained in your official answer, I'll
link again to the story arising from his surveillance of Recchioni,
the anti-Mussolini activist based in London:

The London Plot to Kill Mussolini.
History Today, April, 1999, by Alfio Bernabei

An article in Italian says that "Colonel Philips Carrè Carter" had
been watching Recchioni for years, but was ordered by the Metropolitan
Police Commissioner, Lord Trenchard, not to testify in the Daily
Telegraph case, in which Carter's evidence might have implicated
Ramsay Macdonald as a supporter/friend of Recchioni.

Per amore della libertà
Francesco Berti 
Rivista Anarchica

As well as calling Carter a zealous functionary, they say he was a spy
who probably sent information on Recchioni and other Italian
antifascists to the Ovra. This is the book they cite as evidence:

Franzinelli, I tentacoli dell'Ovra, cit., pp. 201-2.
(The tentacles of the Ovra)

The subtitle is: Agenti, collaboratori e vittime della polizia politica fascista
(Agents, collaborators and victims of the fascist political police)

Franzinelli, Mimmo
I tentacoli dell'Ovra : agenti, collaboratori e vittime della polizia
politica fascista / Mimmo Franzinelli
Series:	Nuova cultura ; 69
Publisher:	Torino : Bollati Boringhieri, 1999
746 p : ill ; 22 cm   ISBN/ISSN: 8833911640

I'm afraid it's not obvious to me which documents in the National
Archives are the ones Bernabei was using, but you might find help with
this in a pay-to-view Times article which contains the search terms [
Mussolini AND Home Office AND Carter ]:

"A LONDON businessman's plot to kill Mussolini was covered up by the
Home Secretary and the Metropolitan Police because of the man's
friendship with Ramsay MacDonald, the first Labour Prime Minister,
documents released by the Home Office have shown. . . . "

The Times
MON 22 MAR 1999
Times archives

According to a book on the magician Aleister Crowley, Carter played a
role in arranging for him to find refuge in London and have his work
published there.
Apparently Carter bought Crowley's ticket from France to England. (1929)
(Crowley is widely believed to have been an informant for MI6 - but
perhaps you will know more?)

There is an implication of a further secret service connection, when
Lance Sieveking introduces a Vivian Burbury of the Foreign Office,
possibly an agent with a professional interest in Crowley.

"Editor's Introduction," par Hymenaeus Beta X°,
in "Magick, Liber ABA, Book Four, Parts I-IV, revised and enlarged" 
première édition par Samuel Weiser, Inc. (York Beach, Maine, USA, 1994)

Apart from that, just snippets, I'm afraid.

Alfio Bernabei, author of the article describing Carter's role in
averting the plot to kill Mussolini, has written a book on 'Italian
Exiles and Emigrants in the United Kingdom 1920-1940'.
Bernabei, Alfio
Esuli ed emigrati italiani nel Regno Unito, 1920-1940 / Alfio Bernabei
Series:	Testimonianze fra cronaca e storia. Guerre fasciste e seconda
guerra mondiale
Publisher:	Milano : Mursia, 1997
261 p ; 21 cm        ISBN/ISSN:	8842521299

He is also a playwright and you may find a way of contacting him
through this literary website:

Here's Franzinelli:

Carter is mentioned in this book:

Recchioni's son's papers are in the Netherlands.
Vero Recchioni aka Vernon Richards

I'm sure you know this page. I'll just put it here for the record:

Hope this gets you somewhat further forward. I always enjoy your
history questions, but they can be tough!

Best wishes - Leli

Searches with all the obvious terms on Google,,
Lexis-nexis, The Times, library catalogues, National Archives etc.

Different combinations of Carter's names and rank
Special Branch, Metropolitan Police, Home Office

Request for Answer Clarification by probonopublico-ga on 23 May 2004 12:43 PDT
Hi, Leli

Your brilliance continues to amaze me!

I am so glad you picked up this question, as I didn't expect such a
rewarding answer.

I'll do the rating later, as soon as the other Question is safely disposed of.

Many thanks again.

All the Best


Clarification of Answer by leli-ga on 24 May 2004 00:33 PDT
Bryan, thank-you so much!

Your generous response is truly appreciated.
I enjoyed working on the question, and I'm really glad to know the
information was reasonably "rewarding".

Glad you got great extras from fp and answerfinder too.

I meant to mention this book, although I expect you've already seen it.

Allason, Rupert
The Branch : a history of the Metropolitan Police Special Branch 1883-1983
London : Secker & Warburg, 1983

Good luck with the research! 


PS Am off to scour the net for a Lili clip to jog my memory.
probonopublico-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $25.00
Hi, Leli, Hi Lo*

Brilliant & Timely

Great Work!

Many thanks


* Remember Leslie Caron?

Subject: Re: Reposting #350607
From: fp-ga on 23 May 2004 04:46 PDT
Hi, Bryan

I suppose this is one of these snippets of information:

You?ll probably know that John Fillis Carré Carter was born in Halifax, Canada. 
He is mentioned in the 1891 British Census (his name erroneously
transcribed as John Fillis cane Carter) together with his mother Ethel
Frances Carter (widow).    (subscription required)

Subject: Re: Reposting #350607
From: probonopublico-ga on 23 May 2004 04:52 PDT
Hi, Freddy


I didn't get any of the snippets that you have unearthed.


Many thanks.

Subject: Re: Reposting #350607
From: answerfinder-ga on 23 May 2004 12:19 PDT
London Gazette entries.

Whitehall, September 6, 1940.
The KING has been pleased, by Warrant under His Majesty's Royal Sign
Manual, bearing date the ist instant, to appoint John Reginald
Nott-Bower, Esquire, C.V.O., to be one of the Assistant Commissioners
of Police of the Metropolis, in the room of Lieutenant-Colonel John
Fillis Carre Carter, resigned.

3 June 1925
To be Commanders of the Civil Division of the said Most Excellent Order:?
Lieutenant-Colonel John Fillis Carre" Carter, Deputy Assistant
Commissioner, Metropoliton

Subject: Re: Reposting #350607
From: probonopublico-ga on 23 May 2004 21:20 PDT
Hi, Answerfinder & Freddy

Very Many Thanks for the additional info!

Much appreciated.

Subject: Re: Reposting #350607
From: probonopublico-ga on 24 May 2004 01:20 PDT
Hi, Leli

Yes, thanks, I've already got Rupe's book. 

It's right here on my desk at this very minute.

Along with 3 million others.

Have a Great Day!


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