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Subject: Wedding prodical
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: cayh-ga
List Price: $5.00
Posted: 24 May 2004 15:48 PDT
Expires: 23 Jun 2004 15:48 PDT
Question ID: 351377
We are having a sit down dinner and a band at our wedding reception.
We thought only 40 people would attend, now that 70 people have RSVP
that they plan to attend we can't afford an open bar.  Any ideas on
how to handle the booze now?? Help!!!! Thanks, Worried Cathy

Request for Question Clarification by revbrenda1st-ga on 26 May 2004 14:54 PDT
Hi Cathy,

Pinkfreud is correct with her advice from the website she is quoting.
Open bars, or even holding the liquor license to raise a little extra
cash can be a dicey proposition. I think you can neatly avoid
embarrassment and still provide your guests with a pleasant
experience.

I might have a couple of options I'd consider were I in your position.
I should tell you, so you know I've some experience in these matters,
that I once owned a successful catering company.

The problem appears to be that your guest list has virtually doubled.

So what I'd like to know is this: 
When you decided to have an open bar, did you adjust your budget for
it by deciding how many drinks on average would be consumed by person
or in total? What amount of money were you allowing for? Had you
already intended to provide wine with the meal? Have you actually told
anyone (especially in the official invitation) that there would be an
open bar?

And how far off is the wedding? If you've already been RVSPd it must
be just a bit more than a month away, eh?

Oh, and in what country/state/province are you? Liquor regulations
vary from country to country and, indeed, from state to state and
province to province.

Regards,
revbrenda1st

Clarification of Question by cayh-ga on 26 May 2004 16:18 PDT
This is actually my brothers wedding being held in Sadona, AZ on June
12, 04. All guests are from out of town since no one lives in Sadona.
Majority coming from Phoenix 1.75 hours away one way. I just found out
that a appitizer/cocktail hour is planned before the sit down dinner.
Wine is being served with dinner.  They budgeted $800.00 for the hard
liquor.  I'm sure that folks have been told open bar both sides enjoy
drinks on a daily basis. Thanks,Cathy

Request for Question Clarification by revbrenda1st-ga on 27 May 2004 06:08 PDT
Hi again, Cathy,

Another question, please. Are the cocktail hour and the dinner wine
included in the $800 budget?

Thanks,
revbrenda1st

Clarification of Question by cayh-ga on 27 May 2004 16:52 PDT
No, cocktails only for $800. Tks, Cathy

Request for Question Clarification by revbrenda1st-ga on 29 May 2004 18:45 PDT
Hi Cathy,

Well, first I'll offer my apologies for the delay in getting back to
you -- I've had company (still do, but they're watching the Stanley
Cup playoffs right now) since late Friday. I'm not going to present
this an official answer since there are so many things that I don't
know about the situation.

Anyway, here's what my son did when his and his bride's 300 dinner
guests arrived at the hotel for the reception line and cocktail hour.
They set a limit for the bar of $1000 for that hour. Believe it or
not, they fell under that limit. It helped that both families and most
of the guests knew there was a cutoff point. Those not so close
learned of the limit as the hour went on, just through casual chat
with other guests. This limit was arrived through consultation with
the hotel's catering service who, through experience, said that to
allow for one drink per person was reasonable since there would be a
lot of pre-dinner activity, lots of family re-acquainting going on,
and many older people who would opt for coffee, tea or the
non-alcoholic punch which would be provided.

My daughter's evening wedding was much smaller -- about 80 people.
There was no dinner, but prior to the startup of the music for the
dance while wedding photos were being taken, servers walked through
the crowd with trays of appetizers and red and white wines. There WAS
a bar from which people could purchase beer or liquor -- only the wine
was free, and it was delivered by the servers. As well, there was an
urn of coffee and free soft drinks for the kids and tee-totalers.
During the dance part of the evening, wine was still free, but
everything else was a cash bar. They paid a bar bill for the wine for
the whole evening (7 p.m. to 2 p.m.) of under $600. The wine cost them
about $25 a bottle.

I think that if the guests were important enough to the bride and
groom to be invited and the guests felt close enough to them to
accept, then they should understand the situation and be perfectly
happy to accept it. (As an aside though, I think that if you invite
people to anything, you should consider that all, not some, will come
when you are setting a budget for the affair.)

That being said, perhaps the bride and groom could come up with at
least another $300-$400. My three kids all received a great deal of
cash via the Wishing Well (do you do that in Arizona?), so a short
term loan from parents or a doting aunt might be in order and could be
repaid from monetary wedding gifts.

Your brother could maybe make a behind-the-scenes arrangement with the
caterers to 'delay' the start of the cocktail hour by 15 minutes or
so, thus reducing the amount of time people have to access the free
bar, which would end as the seating for dinner commences. (In my son's
case, the door to the room in which the bar was located was closed to
traffic.) This would reduce possible charges to the tab by 25%. (Make
sure the receiving line moves slowly and is situated far from the bar
area, to slow things down even further.)

A check into Arizona liquor regulations revealed to me that nobody can
be served more than two alcoholic drinks for personal consumption at
one time. By ensuring that bartenders respect that regulation, thus
requiring individuals to stand in line to get their own drinks, it
could prevent people from taking advantage of an open bar by stocking
up on freebies at the expense of everyone else.

If you accept this as an official answer, let me know and I'll post it
as such. If not, that's fine, too. I hope this wedding is a wonderful
occasion which  leads to a fulfilling life for your brother.

Best regards,
revbrenda1st

Clarification of Question by cayh-ga on 31 May 2004 14:33 PDT
revbrenda1st-ga-Please post your question as required to collect the
fee and thanks for your ideas.  CR
Answer  
Subject: Re: Wedding prodical
Answered By: revbrenda1st-ga on 31 May 2004 15:48 PDT
 
Happy Memorial Day to you, Cathy,

... and thanks for permitting me to collect the fee for your question.
What follows is just a cut and paste of what I've already told you.
Once again, I truly hope your family and friends have a great
celebration on the occasion of your brother's marriage.

Here's what my son did when his and his bride's 300 dinner guests
arrived at the hotel for the reception line and cocktail hour. They
set a limit for the bar of $1000 for that hour. Believe it or not,
they fell under that limit. It helped that both families and most of
the guests knew there was a cutoff point. Those not so close learned
of the limit as the hour went on, just through casual chat with other
guests. This limit was arrived at through consultation with the
hotel's catering service who, through experience, said that to allow
for one drink per person was reasonable since there would be a lot of
pre-dinner activity, lots of family re-acquainting going on, and many
older people who would opt for coffee, tea or the non-alcoholic punch
which would be provided.

My daughter's evening wedding was much smaller -- about 80 people.
There was no dinner but prior to the startup of the music for the
dance while wedding photos were being taken, servers walked through
the crowd with trays of appetizers and red and white wines. There WAS
a bar from which people could purchase beer or liquor -- only the wine
was free, and it was delivered by the servers. As well, there was an
urn of coffee and free soft drinks for the kids and tee-totalers.
During the dance part of the evening, wine was still free, but
everything else was a cash bar. They paid a bar bill for the wine for
the whole evening (7 p.m. to 2 p.m.) of under $600. The wine cost them
about $25 a bottle.

I think that if the guests were important enough to the bride and
groom to be invited and the guests felt close enough to them to
accept, then they should understand the situation and be perfectly
happy to accept it. (As an aside though, I think that if you invite
people to anything, you should consider that all, not some, will come
when you are setting a budget for the affair.)

That being said, perhaps the bride and groom could come up with at
least another $300-$400. My three kids all received a great deal of
cash via the Wishing Well (do you do that in Arizona?), so a short
term loan from parents or a doting aunt might be in order and could be
repaid from monetary wedding gifts.

Your brother could maybe make a behind-the-scenes arrangement with the
caterers to 'delay' the start of the cocktail hour by 15 minutes or
so, thus reducing the amount of time people have to access the free
bar which would end as the seating for dinner commences. (In my son's
case, the door to the room in which the bar was located was closed to
traffic.) This would reduce possible charges to the tab by 25%. (Make
sure the receiving line moves slowly and is situated far from the bar
area, to slow things down even further.)

A check into Arizona liquor regulations revealed to me that nobody can
be served more than two alcoholic drinks for personal consumption at
one time. By ensuring that bartenders respect that regulation, thus
requiring individuals to stand in line to get their own drinks, it
could prevent people from taking advantage of an open bar by stocking
up on freebies at the expense of everyone else.

Best regards,
revbrenda1st
Comments  
Subject: Re: Wedding prodical
From: pinkfreud-ga on 24 May 2004 16:03 PDT
 
This might be useful:

"In years past it was considered inappropriate to expect your guests
to pay for any part of your wedding festivities.  However, today, cash
bars are common at receptions.  Most couples are concerned about the
liability associated with an open bar, not to mention the cost.  When
guests purchase their own alcohol, they usually drink less and they
stop sooner.  They also incur the liability for their actions, not
you.  Liability issues are not limited to automobile accidents.  If
one of your guests drinks too much and gets into a fight with another
guest, you can be liable if you furnished the alcohol."

http://www.foreverwed1.com/articles/alcohol/cashopenbar.html

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