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origin of the term "Grand Poobah"
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Books and Literature Asked by: oldbark-ga List Price: $30.00 |
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30 Jun 2002 08:12 PDT
Expires: 30 Jul 2002 08:12 PDT Question ID: 35149 |
What is the origin - - the first use in history - - of the term "Grand Poobah"? I think it might be literary; that is, I seem to recall that such a term was invented by C.S. Forrester in one of his Horatio Hornblower novels, for the chief of some tiny island nation. But it might have been in used before that. Or it might have come from musical comedy, or what is nearly the same, the world of politics. |
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Re: origin of the term "Grand Poobah"
Answered By: leli-ga on 30 Jun 2002 09:08 PDT |
Hi Thanks for the question which led me to a comprehensive and fascinating website on Gilbert and Sullivan, the two Victorian gentlemen famous for their enduringly popular light operas. Pooh-Bah is a dignitary (supposedly Japanese) in the Mikado, one of their best-known works. I can't find him actually called grand in the original but he is described as Lord High Everything Else. Along with the Lord High Executioner and the Mikado himself he provides a caricature of grandiose pomposity for Gilbert and Sullivan to poke fun at. You will find huge amounts of information - plot summary, libretto, audio files, reviews and more - at: http://math.boisestate.edu/gas/mikado/html/mikado.html . I can't actually prove that Gilbert (who was in charge of words while Sullivan composed the music) invented the name himself but I have always believed this to be the case. Maybe this confirms your feeling that there was a literary/musical comedy background (with a political flavour?) to the name. Also, it fits with all the other made-up names in the Mikado: Yum-Yum, Ko-Ko and Nanky-Poo for starters. Another page at the same site: http://math.boisestate.edu/gas/index.html#gilbert will refer you to lots of information about Gilbert if you want to try to establish that this was definitely the first-ever use of the name. Let me know if this needs any follow-up. Leli search strategy "Gilbert and Sullivan" lyrics |
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Re: origin of the term "Grand Poobah"
From: wlk115-ga on 30 Jun 2002 09:19 PDT |
""Poobah" comes from Gilbert and Sullivan's "The Mikado," which debuted in 1885 and skewered the then-current rage in Britain for all things Japanese. Set in the fictional small Japanese town of Titipu, The Mikado tells the story of Ko-Ko, the Lord High Executioner, Yum-Yum, his fetching ward, and Nanki-Poo, a wandering minstrel who is actually the son of the Mikado (Emperor) in disguise. The plot of The Mikado is far too baroque to relate here, but one of the other characters is, you guessed it, Poo-Bah, who holds the exalted offices of Lord Chief Justice, Master of the Buckhounds and Groom of the Back Stairs, as well as the handy catch-all post of Lord High Everything Else. "Lord High Everything Else" was such a brilliant summation of the self-important puffery of bureaucracy that "Poo-Bah" (and its variant "poobah") immediately became a popular mocking synonym for someone who holds a number of offices, wields ultimate power, or exhibits an inflated self-regard. " The Word Detective http://www.word-detective.com/current.html 6th entry |
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Re: origin of the term "Grand Poobah"
From: huntsman-ga on 30 Jun 2002 10:24 PDT |
oldbark, You might want to see the 1999 British film "Topsy-Turvy", which tells the backstage story of the design and production of "The Mikado" by Gilbert and Sullivan. A trifle long, it offers excellent performances (and performances *of* performances) by all, with historically accurate details, wonderful costumes and sets, engaging songs, and personal insights into the lives of the producers and characters. Actor Timothy Spall in particular does a delightful job playing the actor Richard Temple, who in turn portrays the Mikado (the Emperor). Vincent Franklin plays Rutland Barrington as the "Grand" Pooh-Bah. The following site gives a complete list of the film's credits along with many other details and related links: Topsy Turvy http://www.qsulis.demon.co.uk/Website_Louise_Gold/Topsy_Turvy.htm Here's a review: Roger Ebert Topsy-Turvy http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/ebert_reviews/2000/01/012106.html Check your local video rental stores for a copy. "Topsy Turvy" has been on cable TV occasionally, and is also available on DVD from Amazon.com: Topsy-Turvy http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/630589423X/qid=1025455996/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-0818922-9995160 I enjoyed it thoroughly: perhaps you will also. huntsman |
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