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Comet orbit questions. Why does comet go around the sun instead of into the sun?
Category: Science > Astronomy Asked by: bravestdog-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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27 May 2004 19:33 PDT
Expires: 26 Jun 2004 19:33 PDT Question ID: 352996 |
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Re: Comet orbit questions. Why does comet go around the sun instead of into the sun?
Answered By: siliconsamurai-ga on 31 May 2004 14:57 PDT |
Your initial question basically required the entire mechanics 101 course in physics but your more limited request for an explanation about why an object with a specific velocity (speed and direction, not just speed) avoids colliding with the center of the controlling gravitational force (or, in Relativistic terms, takes a world line not intersecting with the body) is answerable for your price. I am presuming you have no knowledge of physics or you wouldn?t ask this so I will make this as easy to understand as I can with an example rather than giving the full answer which is, by necessity, mathematical. The first thing to understand is that to a physicist, a comet is simply another object with a certain mass, there?s nothing special to differentiate it from a satellite, or any random piece of space junk. The basic situation is easily understood using this simple experiment. Take an object on a string or rope and whirl it around your head ? the object is being impelled away from your hand while being constrained to an ?orbit? by the string. This is an example of the exact opposite of your question where the force impels the object in orbit to move toward the larger object but is otherwise very similar ? there is a force on the string caused by the object being swung which, by Newton?s first law, is trying its hardest to go in a straight line. Now substitute an elastic bungee cord or a rubber band for the string ? if you swing it faster the object will try to move further away, stretching the band ? move slower and it will tend to come a lot closer to your head. Stop spinning entirely and it will just dangle from the restraining cord ? the equivalent of hitting the sun. That demonstration holds the core answer to your question ? the comet doesn?t strike the center of the sun because it is moving quickly enough and in the correct direction to avoid this fate. Any comets which were going just as fast as the one in question but which were aimed at the sun rather than away from its center would have hit the sun and are no longer available as examples. I?ll take a quick shot at another of your original questions ? no, the water didn?t come from rain on this planet, but many asteroids and comets are thought to have come from a planet which used to orbit between Mars and Jupiter and which broke up in the past. Anytime you have hydrogen and oxygen in close proximity then you are very likely to see them combine into their only stable compound, H2O, or water (H2O2, or hydrogen peroxide isn?t stable.) A mathematical explanation based on simplistic Newtonian physics is found at: http://library.thinkquest.org/10401/astro.html?tqskip1=1 (Why do objects stay in orbit?) but I feel my simple experiment probably is what you were looking for ? a way to understand the science on an intuitive level. Einstein explained things differently but the results are the same and explaining relativistic mechanics is far beyond the scope of this answer ? I am fully prepared to do so but the cost of such an answer would be considerably higher. An episode of Fox TV?s The Simpsons actually gave an excellent visual explanation. Google search term: Newton law http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/history/newton3laws.html Orbit Why do object orbit ://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=why+do+object+orbit The Oracle ThinkQuest answer is at the top of the search: http://www.thinkquest.org/library/site_sum.html?tname=10401&url=10401/astro.html http://library.thinkquest.org/10401/astro.html?tqskip1=1 (Why do objects stay in orbit?) I hope this was of help and I hope you continue to explore this fascinating field of physics. |
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Re: Comet orbit questions. Why does comet go around the sun instead of into the sun?
From: aht-ga on 27 May 2004 21:40 PDT |
bravestdog-ga: You have asked for a lot of information and research here, so you may want to consider upping your list price to match the amount of effort that a Researcher would have to put into providing you with a useful Answer. In the meantime, you might like this interactive demonstration of a comet's orbit: http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/comets/comet_model_interactive.html |
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Re: Comet orbit questions. Why does comet go around the sun instead of into the
From: rnt20-ga on 28 May 2004 02:26 PDT |
Comets follow orbits around the sun, just like the planets and asteroids in our Solar System (and lately a few interplanetary space probes too!). Orbits are very simple -- in fact every time you throw a ball you are essentially putting it into orbit around the centre of the Earth, it's just that the orbit happens to intersect the surface of the Earth (or the person you're throwing the ball at) so it doesn't get very far on its orbit. Orbits are always eliptical (assuming the body they are orbiting is spherical). In everyday physics we approximate the path of a ball to be a parabola -- in this case we are ignoring the curvature of the Earth which would turn the parabolic path into an ellipse. Imagine you are floating in space a long way above the Earth, and throw a ball in a direction perpendicular to the direction of the Earth (i.e. not towards or away from the Earth, but sideways). The ball wouldn't go in a straight line, because the gravity of the Earth would bend the path of the ball, like this: _______ ----__\ (ball) / __ / \ \__/ (Earth) The ball would miss the Earth because you had thrown it sideways. The path of the ball would carry on curving due to the gravity of the Earth until it was beside the Earth in this diagram: __ \ / \ | \__/ (Earth) \|/ (ball) The gravity of the Earth keeps bending the path of the ball, but because the ball is moving sideways the ball keeps missing the Earth. This is called an orbit, and it's what the International Space Station is doing all the time. In the same way, comets keep orbiting the sun. The shape of the orbit depends on how fast an object was thrown to start with and where it was thrown from. All orbits are elliptical. The orbits of the planets around the sun are *almost* circular, except for Pluto. If you tried to fire a ball really fast at the sun from the outer Solar System, it would be really very difficult to hit the sun (because it would be so far away, and look so small). If you missed the sun (which you probably would if you fired the ball fast) the ball would whizz past the sun with its path bent by the Sun's gravity so that the ball went round the back of the sun and headed straight back towards you. This would be the type of orbit that comets are on. Hope that's helpful! |
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Re: Comet orbit questions. Why does comet go around the sun instead of into the
From: transiter-ga on 28 May 2004 03:25 PDT |
To take each part of your question one stage at a time: The reason a comet follows a smooth trajectory as you describe it is due the the gravitational attraction between the comet and the Sun. The orbit is not necessarily smooth and in fact purturbations (small deviations from the small orbit) occur in the comets trajectory due to the graviational influence of the planets. The general pathe of the comet is governed by the attraction between it and the Sun as I said though and the magnitude of the gravitational force between the comet and the Sun is given by Newton's Graviational law: F=(G*M(sun)*M(comet))/(R*R) where G is Newtons gravitational constant and R is the distance between the comet and the Sun. Some comets do not orbit around the Sun though and do crash into it and indeed into planets - take for example comet Shoemaker - Levy which spectacularly crashed into Jupiter in 1994. As for the distance a comet travels - you may find the site http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/cometfact.html useful as it describes the orbital parameters that you want. To calculate the farthest distance the comet gets from the Sun you need to add 1 to the value of the orbital eccentricity and then multiply this number by the semi major axis e.g. for comet Halley the eccentricity is 0.967 so add 1 - 1.967 and multiply by the semi-major axis (17.94 AU) and the result is 35.287 AU. 1 AU is the mean distance between the Earth and the Sun so 35 AU is 35 times the distance between the Earth and the Sun. This page also gives you information on the inclinations of the orbits i.e. the plane they orbit in - showing how varied they are. Right onto the speed of the comet. The speed of the comet is constantly varying throughout its orbit. It does not come to a complete stop at the farthest point (or aphelion) in the orbit but it is travelling at it slowest at this point and conversely it is travelling at it maximum speed at perihelion or the closest distance it gets to the Sun. The speed and trajectory of the comet at any point in the orbit is govenred by Kepler's laws, which I have adapted for your question: 1.) The orbit of the comet about the Sun is elliptical with the Sun at one focus of the ellipse. 2.) A line drawn between the comet and the Sun will sweep aout an equal area over equal periods of time. (Thi therefore means that the comet travels slower the further from the Sun it is) 3.)The square of the period of the comet is proportional to the cube of the semi-major axis. Or in its more correct form P^2=(4*(pi^2)*a^3)/(G*(M(comet)+M(sun))) This equation is hard to read from this text but go to http://www.go.ednet.ns.ca/~larry/orbits/kepler.html for a strightforward explanation. In terms of their origins, indeed many comets do originate in the Oort cloud but some are kuiper belt objects. This is a band of frozen and rocky bodies just beyond the ornit of Pluto. Their composition is believed to be as follows: Nucleus - made of water ice, CO2 ice, rocky debris, and other frozen gasses Coma - gaseous water, CO2 and other gasses There are also the two tails a) the dust tail formed as the Sun's radiation causes microscopic particles to be "blown" off the comet and also ionised gasses form b) the ion tail. Just to calrify the point on the water - no it didnt come from rain it is from the gasses that fill the regions between stars called the interstellar medium. Hope this helps |
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Re: Comet orbit questions. Why does comet go around the sun instead of into the sun?
From: rnt20-ga on 29 May 2004 13:59 PDT |
You asked: Could anyone answer "Why doesn't the comet go directly into the center of the sun instead of around the outside of it?" If the comet was not moving to start with it would drop straight into the sun. If the comet was moving to start with, it doesn't immediately loose the speed it has (the momentum it has), so it will miss the sun. Imagine standing holding a ball over your foot. If you let go of the ball, it drops straight onto your foot. But if you release the ball with some sideways motion (you throw it), it misses your foot. Even though gravity is straight down, the ball moves sideways when you throw it sideways. In the same way, if the comet is moving sideways to start with, it carries on moving sideways instead of falling straight onto the sun -- the result is that it "misses" the sun as is in fact in orbit. Try thinking about it and looking at the diagrams in the above comments. You could also try some of the simulators on the web, e.g. http://iss.cet.edu/mars/f131.xml Orbits are the natural result of the pull of gravity between spherical bodies, but it is not something people are familiar with in everyday life. Hope that's helpful! |
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Re: Comet orbit questions. Why does comet go around the sun instead of into the sun?
From: neilzero-ga on 03 Jun 2004 10:04 PDT |
With a few mimor exceptions the answer and the comments are correct. Go to www.space.com scroll to the bottom, Click on forums. Enter eliptial orbit in the search engine for the 'ask the astronomer' board. Some of the information will be wrong, so sign up and get a pass word so you can ask questions on the 'ask the astronomer' board. I am ccpoodle on these boards. Neil |
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Re: Comet orbit questions. Why does comet go around the sun instead of into the sun?
From: neilzero-ga on 03 Jun 2004 10:16 PDT |
All orbits are slightly or very eliptical with minor bumps due to the gravity of planets as well as the sun. The orbit would have only minor bumps if the sun was cube shaped instead of very close to spherical. The planet Mercury has almost as eliptical and tilted orbit as Pluto. Mars is close to the ecliptic but about 15% eliptical. Neil |
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