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Subject: Question about ground zero
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: anc1entdrag0n-ga
List Price: $4.00
Posted: 30 May 2004 23:45 PDT
Expires: 29 Jun 2004 23:45 PDT
Question ID: 354157
What happened to peoples pocket change at 9/11 ground zero. Did it
melt down or was money and jewlry, gold and diamonds and such
recovered and what happend to them?
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Subject: Re: Question about ground zero
Answered By: politicalguru-ga on 31 May 2004 04:02 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Dear Drog0n, 

This is, indeed, insignificant compared to the loss of lives. 

However, the answer is that things haven't melted (and when you think
of it, most of the death was collapse, and not fire, related).

Maybe numbers could bear witness to the range of the tragedy: 

"144 Rings, among the 65,000 personal items recovered from ground
zero. Other items include 437 watches, 77 necklaces, 119 earrings and
80 bracelets"
New York Times, "The Numbers",
<http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020909/anumbers.html> .

Other numbers from the same article: 
"379,036
Ounces of gold recovered from the Bank of Nova Scotia vault (current
value: $118.5 million)

3
Auguste Rodin sculptures recovered from the rubble" 

I hope this answers your question. Please contact me if you need any
further clarification on this answer before you rate it.

Search strategy: 
"found in the rubble" "ground zero"

Request for Answer Clarification by anc1entdrag0n-ga on 31 May 2004 20:16 PDT
Hey really. Since when do we rate a question whether it's important
enough. If somebody wants a little latin phrase translated do you come
down on them because they didnt want the whole oddysey? Ask a question
about what Princess Di wore and you have to tell them they should've
asked about mother Teresa instead? I asked because I thought there
might have been a lot of money and valuables found and I wondered it
it went into a fund for survivors or something. I don't see where its
anybody's business to tell me who cares? if I'm paying a reseacher to
answer something I want to know.

So the rest of my quesion wasn't answered, whihch was what happened to
the cash and jewelry and gold they found. And I just want the aswer
and not a ration of judgemental krp about why I shouldn't be asking or
what I ought to ask instead, thank you very much.

Clarification of Answer by politicalguru-ga on 01 Jun 2004 01:19 PDT
Dear Drag0n, 

I am sorry if you understood my answer the wrong way - it has not been
intended to cast a moral judgment on you or ayone else (if I had a
moral problem with your question I wouldn't have answered it), just to
refer to the commentator's remark. Site members, such as the first
commentator, are not Researchers. Their comments are not part of the
answer, and it might have been a mistake on my behalf to even refer to
it.

In fact, to the victims families this is no small matter, this is what
is left of their loved ones.

"WTC was being treated like a crime scene by the FBI and all the
evidence had been taken to the Fresh Kills Landfill on Staten Island.
The rubble had been put on four conveyor belts going from large to
small items. Volunteers and professionals went through the rubble to
preserve any evidence found. Tuckett says wallets, identification
cards, jewelry, loose change and photographs were all part of the
items recovered. [...] Over $73,000 of quarters, dimes, nickels and
pennies were found," (SOURCE: Lynette Esposito, "Little Miracles From
The Ashes", SJ Magazine,
<http://www.sjmagazine.com/0211feature4.asp>).

As for the question, what happened to the stuff, I'm afraid that the
answer is that at least some of them are just waiting in keep. On
March of this year, families have not received all of the personal
items recovered from Ground Zero (SEE: "Victims' Families Want
Personal Items Recovered From WTC" ,
<http://voicesofsept11.org/groundzero/archive/2004/032804.php>). So,
many items - those not given to the victims' families yet - are still
in safe-keeping. Apparently, one needs some ID on the item (such as
DNA, dedication, etc.) in order to give them to the families, to
prevent fraud.

The Families' site says: 
"Personal Property Update
The Property Clerk Division has been working to return all property
recovered in the aftermath of 9/11. To date, 68% of all property
recovered has been returned.  In an effort to return jewelry items
recovered, the Department is establishing a web site, accessible via
password, to be utilized by the families of victims and survivors to
assist in returning jewelry items.  There are approximately 1000
pieces of jewelry recovered and stored at the Property Clerk Division.
 This project requires Mayoral approval and is anticipated to be
operating by the summer.  A beginning and completion date for this
endeavor will be promulgated in the City Administrative Act (CAPA). 
FOS11 will provide further information as we receive it. "
(SOURCE: "Personal Property Update"
<http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/families/wire_preview.asp?item_id=56>).

If personal artifacts, much more easy to identify, have not been
restored to their owners, you could imagine that there is no policy
yet regarding the money recovered, unless the owner is already known:
"Police discover Bank of America money" Ananova,
<http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_518730.html?menu=news.latestheadlines>.
I guess that when the owner is Bank of America, they get their lost
artifacts quicker than Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

Request for Answer Clarification by anc1entdrag0n-ga on 01 Jun 2004 21:03 PDT
That was the point political. I know the difference between
researchers and commenters and I looked at YOUR answer and the first
thing I see is that you think it's insigificant. Note also you
addressed that remark to me by name not to someone else. I don't
exactly think that was MY misunderstanding. So I have to agree it
would be better for you to be reponding to me and not to commenters
when you post your answer.

But let's just call it a mistake. The answer is complete now and even
though I don't exactly like the way this went I can't fault the
answer.

Clarification of Answer by politicalguru-ga on 02 Jun 2004 00:54 PDT
Let me apologise again.
anc1entdrag0n-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Answer is complete

Comments  
Subject: Re: Question about ground zero
From: silver777-ga on 31 May 2004 03:50 PDT
 
Hello dragOn,

Do you seriously expect an intelligent answer to such a question?

Think about it .. if metal was melted, what of the innocent souls?

The only answer to your question is a simple one: "Who cares" ?
Subject: Re: Question about ground zero
From: alleepally-ga on 31 May 2004 07:43 PDT
 
I think people are jumping on the guy for asking a simple question.

There was nothing in the question which implied that the loss of life
was not important.

Criticise the New York Times then... they had an article about
personal effects found.

Also, spare a thought for the thousands of innocent souls who have/are
dying in US "war on terror"
Subject: Re: Question about ground zero
From: silver777-ga on 01 Jun 2004 03:16 PDT
 
Hello dragOn,

I accept your own comment and I offer my apology to you and to politicalguru. 

It won't happen again.

Kind regards, if you will accept this as a handshake ..

Phil
Subject: Re: Question about ground zero
From: rai130-ga on 01 Jun 2004 04:37 PDT
 
In the documentary film, "The Falklands War, the Untold Story" there
is a very emotional scene in which a widowed wife worries over how
they managed to get her husband's wedding ring off after he had
drowned, as he always wore it so tight. It seems as if it is often the
little things such as this that last in some people's memories. It
surely is of the utmost importance what happens to the personal
effects found amongst the rubble.
Subject: Re: Question about ground zero
From: anc1entdrag0n-ga on 01 Jun 2004 21:09 PDT
 
ok Silver, apology accepted and thanks. No harm done, I just got
majorly p---ed off. Guess it was an emotional topic and I didn't
really explain.
Subject: Re: Question about ground zero
From: silver777-ga on 01 Jun 2004 23:59 PDT
 
Thanks dragOn, politicalguru and alleepally,

The fact that you even bothered to respond to me means a lot. As we
would say in Australia .. sorry mate.

Thanks to you Politicalguru for your composure here. I realise that my
interference has caused the ill feeling.

alleepally, you are correct, I was wrong to over-react.

Yep, it actually can become emotional. 9/11 is like a trigger. A bit
like Pavlov's dog salivating when it hears the bell ring from a
learned response that the bell ring means food.

I was Pavlov's dog .. with my knee-jerk (accentuate the jerk bit)
reaction. I guess I tend to defend the U.S. and Australia as one and
the same. Thank God we are allies. Thank God we have the freedom of
speech and the opportunity to rectify our mistakes even when our
intentions are in defense of our combined losses.

Thanks for being you guys. 

Phil

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