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Subject:
Blackjack odds
Category: Science > Math Asked by: scaryberry-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
01 Jun 2004 15:21 PDT
Expires: 01 Jul 2004 15:21 PDT Question ID: 354948 |
AFAIK, if you use a "cheat sheet" at blackjack, you lower the house advantage to less than 1%. I'm curious as to why there's any house advantage, regardless of cheat sheets or no. You have a deck of cards: one hand goes to one player, one hand to the other. Assuming they follow the same strategy (stand on 17, hit on 16), why does the house have any advantage at all? I will give a bonus tip (this should be a separate question) for links to printable blackjack strategy matrixes (matrices?), and/or a link to the "best" strategy grid (with short explanation as to why it's the "best"). Thanks in advance, Scary |
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Re: Blackjack odds
Answered By: pinkfreud-ga on 01 Jun 2004 21:36 PDT Rated: |
I'm glad to have been able to help explain the house's edge. I've reposted the link below, with some additional material that I think you'll find to be of interest. "Let's use as a starting point a player who 'mimics the dealer,' that is, hits all his hands of 16 or less regardless of the dealer's face card. A player who mimics the dealer would face a casino edge of about 5.5%. This is because when the dealer and player break on the same hand, the dealer wins. The probability of the dealer breaking is 28% and the player who mimics the dealer strategy would also break 28% of the time. The 'double bust' would therefore occur 28% times 28% or 8% of the time. A player would be at an 8% disadvantage, but this ignores the bonus payoffs that players receive when they get blackjack (which occurs once in about 20 hands). When you factor the extra blackjack payoff, the 'mimic the dealer' player faces a casino edge of 5.5%." Casino City Times: How to Cut the Casino's Edge in Blackjack http://tamburin.casinocitytimes.com/articles/1299.html "The house derives its advantage in blackjack simply because the player has to draw first and if he busts, the player automatically losses regardless if the dealer subsequently busts in the same round. This is the casino's sole advantage in blackjack and if everything were equal the house edge in blackjack would be 8% (the dealer and player each have a 28% probability of busting therefore 28 times 28 or about 8% of the time both hands would bust and the dealer would win). But fortunately for us, not all is equal when you play blackjack. Players have certain advantages that are not available to the dealer. What are they? For one the player gets a 3 to 2 bonus payoff on a blackjack whereas the dealer only gets paid at 1 to 1 on a blackjack (advantage to player). Also, a player can double his wager in favorable situations (like being dealt a two card 11) whereas the dealer can not double down (advantage to player). Players can also split pairs whereas dealers cannot (advantage to player). Also, players can stand on say, 16, whereas a dealer must always hit a 16 (advantage to player)." Casiono.com: House Advantage in Blackjack http://www.casino.com/blackjack/article.asp?id=1848 Here you'll find some blackjack strategy grids: Blackjack School: Basic Strategy Matrix http://www.blackjack-school.com/GM-BlackjackSchool/Downloads/BasicStrategyMatrix.html This is the same grid as the link above, but in .pdf file format, which may make a nicer-looking printout: Blackjack School: Basic Strategy Matrix http://www.blackjack-school.com/GM-BlackjackSchool/Downloads/BasicStrategyMatrix.pdf Betting on the Net: Blackjack Basic Strategy http://www.betting-on-the-net.com/blackjack_basic_strategy3.html Greg Dooley: Basic Blackjack Strategy http://www.gregdooley.com/wedding/pic_bjstrategy.html 4 Online Gambling: Blackjack Basic Strategy http://www.4online-gambling.com/blackjackstrategy.htm Finally, I'll suggest my choice for the best strategy grid. This site offers a utility that I found fascinating. It develops a customized strategy matrix for blackjack after you choose several options related to the game (such as how many decks are in the shoe, and several variants of the rules). Scroll about halfway down the page to reach the customized chart-maker: Blackjack Info: The Blackjack Basic Strategy Engine http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bjbse.php Some blackjack-related directories: Google Directory: Blackjack http://directory.google.com/Top/Games/Gambling/Blackjack/ Google Directory: Blackjack Systems http://directory.google.com/Top/Games/Gambling/Blackjack/Systems/ This were the search strings that gave me the best results: Google Web Search: blackjack "house OR house's advantage OR edge" ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=blackjack+%22house+OR+house%27s+advantage+OR+edge Google Web Search: "blackjack" + "strategy" + "grid OR matrix" ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=blackjack+strategy+grid+OR+matrix I hope this helps! If anything is unclear, please request clarification; I'll be glad to offer further assistance. Best wishes, pinkfreud |
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As always, pinkfreud, a great answer. Thanks for the help. |
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Re: Blackjack odds
From: scubajim-ga on 01 Jun 2004 16:19 PDT |
Because you can count cards (which is not cheating). By keeping track of what cards have already been played in the deck you can make a larger bet when the odds are in your favor and a small bet when they are not. The odds are not the same as you go through the deck or decks of cards. The proportion of face cards to the total number of cards will go up and down as you play hands and the deck(s) are not shuffled. So if you play many many hands you can "tip the balance in your favor" by betting well and counting cards. (and knowing what to do with the count of the cards) It is not easy, and most casinos will ask you to leave (and perhaps not politely) if they think you are counting cards. There are mechanical and electronic devices to help you count cards, but these are illegal so don't even try those. There was a TV show on the MIT Blackjack Team and one of their players even runs a seminar on how to do it. However, I think most casinos now use a large shoe that consists of many decks, the decks are shuffled frequently, and they are mechanically shuffled to improve the randomness of the shuffle. Hence it is now very difficult to count cards and make any money at it. |
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Re: Blackjack odds
From: scaryberry-ga on 01 Jun 2004 16:44 PDT |
Right - I can understand why the gambler can lower the house advantage through various methods. My original question was more along the lines of "why is there a house advantage at all"? What puts the gambler at an immediate 2-3% disadvantage to begin with? |
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Re: Blackjack odds
From: pinkfreud-ga on 01 Jun 2004 16:49 PDT |
This may be helpful: "Let's use as a starting point a player who 'mimics the dealer,' that is, hits all his hands of 16 or less regardless of the dealer's face card. A player who mimics the dealer would face a casino edge of about 5.5%. This is because when the dealer and player break on the same hand, the dealer wins. The probability of the dealer breaking is 28% and the player who mimics the dealer strategy would also break 28% of the time. The 'double bust' would therefore occur 28% times 28% or 8% of the time. A player would be at an 8% disadvantage, but this ignores the bonus payoffs that players receive when they get blackjack (which occurs once in about 20 hands). When you factor the extra blackjack payoff, the 'mimic the dealer' player faces a casino edge of 5.5%." http://tamburin.casinocitytimes.com/articles/1299.html |
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Re: Blackjack odds
From: scaryberry-ga on 01 Jun 2004 18:18 PDT |
Excellent pinkfreud. Funny how things can seem so obvious once they're revealed. Feel free to resubmit as an answer, or go for the split and answer the additional reference question as well. Thanks, Scary |
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Re: Blackjack odds
From: respree-ga on 01 Jun 2004 20:08 PDT |
The house's advantage is that the player has to draw first. |
Subject:
Re: Blackjack odds
From: pinkfreud-ga on 01 Jun 2004 21:39 PDT |
Please excuse an error in my answer. In the sentence "This were the search strings that gave me the best results," I should have begun with the word "these" rather than "this." Sometimes the fingers go faster than the mind. ;-) ~pinkfreud |
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Re: Blackjack odds
From: pinkfreud-ga on 02 Jun 2004 08:52 PDT |
Thank you for the kind words, the five stars, and the very generous tip! ~pinkfreud |
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