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origin's of expression "hard-boiled detective"
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Movies and Film Asked by: scotru-ga List Price: $3.00 |
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02 Jun 2004 00:59 PDT
Expires: 02 Jul 2004 00:59 PDT Question ID: 355198 |
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Re: origin's of expression "hard-boiled detective"
Answered By: nenna-ga on 02 Jun 2004 14:08 PDT Rated: |
Scotru, You've already gotten a lot of help from the site members, but I wanted to elaborate on what they had said and give you an answer. According to this site http://www.litandphil.org.uk/crime3.htm Raymond Chandler (1888 - 1959), coined the phrase Hard-Boiled, relating to detectives. "It was Chandler who wrote the code for detectives of this period in his essay The Simple Art of Murder, in which he also coined the phrase "hard-boiled" "The market for fiction written in this vein was underpinned by the continuing success of pulp magazines like Black Mask and the emergence of cinema film noir. Not all writers followed Chandler?s code, but all fictional detectives were influenced by it, from Mickey Spillane?s violently entertaining Mike Hammer to John Ross Macdonald?s intellectual detective Lew Archer." So, while the characters that fit that description were around for a while... The phrase didn't come around for about 8-10 years after the type of character was created. "The master of ?hard-boiled? detective fiction, Dashiell Hammett, had published short stories as early as 1922 but his first real success came in the 1930s, with the publication of The Maltese Falcon. It was Hammett who created the archetypal private eye, Sam Spade, weaving in his own experiences as a Pinkerton investigator." I'm glad the site members and I as a reseacher could help you out. Nenna-GA Google Answers Researcher |
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Thanks match for the information--especially to the commentors who gave me a lot of good info first--I wish I could reward you folks too! |
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Re: origin's of expression "hard-boiled detective"
From: gallada-ga on 02 Jun 2004 02:13 PDT |
Origin of the word goes back to 1886. The definition was quoted from the Encyclopedia Britannica (Merriam-Webster's Collegiate=AE Dictionary) hard-boiled adj. (1886) 1 a: devoid of sentimentality: tough <a drill sergeant> b: of, relating to, or being a detective story featuring a tough unsentimental protagonist and a matter-of-fact attitude towards violence 2: hardheaded, practical <handle aid programs on a friendly but business basis --N.Y. Times> |
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Re: origin's of expression "hard-boiled detective"
From: bowler-ga on 02 Jun 2004 07:35 PDT |
Contrary to the previous comment, but I found this: "It was [Raymond] Chandler who wrote the code for detectives of this period in his essay The Simple Art of Murder, in which he also coined the phrase "hard-boiled". http://www.litandphil.org.uk/crime3.htm |
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Re: origin's of expression "hard-boiled detective"
From: luntes-ga on 02 Jun 2004 10:57 PDT |
The internet shows several origins for the expression hard-boiled: http://users.tinyonline.co.uk/gswithenbank/sayingsh.htm Hard-boiled - toughly practical, sometimes even callous An Americanism from the boiling of cloth, especially the material for men's hats, to make it stiff and hard. The process became a popular metaphor for similar characteristics in human behavior or attitudes. http://members.aol.com/MG4273/spectre.htm On the splash page, Jim Corrigan is described as a hard-boiled detective. By 1940, this term had been used hundreds of times in mystery pulp magazines: it had been in common use there since the early 1930's. In later Spectre tales, this would soon be changed to "hard-fisted". The term hard-boiled perhaps has connotations that the editors of More Fun Comics, or Siegel himself, did not like. Jim fights more with his fists than with guns, unlike hard-boiled pulp detectives. And while the Spectre's world is full of criminals, there is no sleaze in it, unlike many hard-boiled pulp tales: aside from its violence, More Fun Comics was squeaky clean, like other early comic books. http://www.lonelybusiness.com/hardboiled.html The term hard boiled was first used in cooking recipes to describe hard boiled eggs. It eventually came to mean someone who was 'cynical, stoic, and emotionally untouchable.' They got that way through living on the city streets where the harsh reality surrounding them meant they had to harden themselves. The idea of a tough, stoic hero has developed from cowboy fiction and mythology. In the second half of the 19th century, pulp novels were incredibly popular. They were so called because they were printed on cheap, pure wood pulp paper. The stories usually told of the West or of War, and normally featured a young man as the lead character who must cope with a strange environment. The only way to survive is to adapt quickly. http://www.bartleby.com/185/53.html Hard-boiled seems to have originated among the Americans in France. It is one of the few specimens of army slang that shows any sign of surviving in the general speech. |
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