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Subject: How to Communicate/Respond/Act Around/Deal With/etc with Law Enforcement
Category: Relationships and Society > Law
Asked by: ryananderson-ga
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Posted: 05 Jun 2004 12:42 PDT
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Question ID: 356833
A very interesting and well paid question goes to a researcher out
there who will take his time to thoroughly research the subject and
provide a well written answer, not just links.

How must one communicate with a law enforcement officer? What sort of
responses land you in big trouble? How can you respond properly and
utilize your rights? What if anything you must or must never do when
confronted by a detective? What are you rights when you get stopped by
a police patrol? When questioned before being arrested, how should one
respond? If you are interrogated, how should you act/talk/walk and
what are you rights? What are some insider tips?

These are the TYPE of questions that interest me, but are not limited
to. Definately a bit shaky subject to start off with, but I'm
interested in writing a little article regarding this subject,
especially with the rights of so many citizens being so rudely abused
in many cities of our loved country.

I would be rather interested in having someone present their
professional advice, perhaps of an attorney related field, a street
thug/past "criminal", a human rights activist, a law enforcement
agent, or any researcher who may take their time to deeply research
this subject and present a well formed answer.

I wish to learn it all, but with your assistance.

Please post a comment/question whenever you will start researching
this question, so that I would know that atleast someone took the
task. Remember, I would be very grateful with a large tip if you
overwhelm me with your knowledge or research skill.

Thank you

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 05 Jun 2004 15:59 PDT
Hi ryananderson-ga:

I may be interested in answering your question but at the moment they
seems quite vague. I have a number of questions and if we can clear
these up perhaps we can proceed:

Few things you have asked about have "cut and dried" answers...

"How must one communicate with a law enforcement officer?"
Under what circumstances? From whose perspective (a suspect, an
arrested person, a witness, a friend, a family member....?) Please
elaborate.

"What sort of responses land you in big trouble? 
Again, under what circumstances? Define "big trouble" (as opposed to
"minor trouble"?) What kind of "trouble"? Trouble with whom? Trouble
for what?

"How can you respond properly and utilize your rights?"
What kind of situation are you referring to? "Properly", meaning in
what context? A citizens has MANY rights. What rights do you want to
know about specifically?

"What if anything you must or must never do when confronted by a detective?" 
What do you mean by "confronted"? What kind of detective are you
talking about specifically? Under what circumstances is this
hypothetical confrontation taking place? Where is the confrontation
taking place?

"What are you rights when you get stopped by a police patrol?" 
Again, a person has many rights. Which rights are you referring to and
under what circumstances are you being stopped? In what jurisdiction
is the stop occuring?


"When questioned before being arrested, how should one respond?" 
I'm not sure this one can be answered. There are far too many
variables to consider - IF one should answerer AT ALL.

"If you are interrogated, how should you act/talk/walk and what are you rights?" 
Pre-arrest? Post-arrest? Interrogated for what? Interrogated where?
Interrogated by whom? What rights specifically are you interested in
knowing more about? Again, perhaps too many variables come into play
to adequately answer this.

"What are some insider tips?"
Define "insider".

You see, what you are asking is extremely complicated and the
open-endedness of your questions seems to lead to many more unanswered
questions. Some issues you mentioned are relatively straight forward
in certain circumstances and in certain jurisdictions. For example,
how one might respond to a local constable or town marshal might not
be the same way one should probably respond to a gung-ho State
Trooper. Personalities come into play as do jurisdictions, resons
leading up to the confrontations, whether or not you are suspect,
accused, arrested or merely a witness or by-stander.

If you can narrow your needs down to something specific rather than
leave your questions open to a vouminous writing of "Interaction With
The POlice For Dummies" we may be able to make some progress. I should
also mention that I have served in a variety of capacities in law
enforcement (including patrol, undercover narcotics and as a
detective, among other specialtized fields) for almost 22 years now
and I am still currently serving proudly - and of course researching
for GA in my spare time. I have many years of professional insight
into these issues and I think I can help you but only if we can narrow
your needs down to some specific scenarios.

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga

Clarification of Question by ryananderson-ga on 05 Jun 2004 21:16 PDT
How must one communicate with a law enforcement officer?
========================================================

"Under what circumstances?"

General circumstances, you dont have to be too specific.
I'd guess a few good circumstances that are general would fit in this
criteria. Such as:
  - Being stopped by a law enforcement agent in the middle of the night
  - Being searched
  - Asked to open the door without arrest warrant
  - Being pulled over
  - Questioned as a suspect

From whose perspective?
Most likely either the suspect or the arrested person.

What sort of responses land you in big trouble?
==================================================

Again, under what circumstances? Define "big trouble" (as opposed to
"minor trouble"?) Again, under what circumstances? Define "big
trouble" (as opposed to
"minor trouble"?) What kind of "trouble"? Trouble with whom? Trouble for what?

I'd say that I did not word my request right.

The "trouble" in this sense is anything that "escalates" the situation. Example:

- If you are being stopped and questioned about being in the middle of
the street late at night.. A response such as "F-ck off, none of your
business" heats up the situation. While another calm answer would not
(which I hope you will provide me with)

- Detective knocks on the door and asks to enter the house without a
warrant. A response such as "you cant do sh-t to me without a warrant,
even though I have guns" will definately land you in "trouble", while
another answer would not.

Trouble with whom?
The law enforcement figure.

For what?
Any case related. Either the actual suspect case, or even just
"talking back" to an officer.

How can you respond properly and utilize your rights?
=======================================================

"What kind of situation are you referring to?"

I'd hope you know a listing of a few. Examples would be:

- Once again, trying to get into someone's house without a warrant. It
is our right to not let the officer into our house without the
document.

- The officer is suspcious, and asks you to empty your pockets.
Without a reasonable explanation, they cannot search you, and you have
the right to refuse to empty your pockets (which will probably lead to
you being detained, but nevertheless, only THEN can they search you)

"What rights do you want to know about specifically?"

Mostly rights in terms of when you speak/communicate/come in contact
with an officer. Use your imagination :)

What if anything you must or must never do when confronted by a detective?
=======================================================

Confronted: Either asked as a witness, contacted as a suspect or
confronted as a criminal.

Kind of detectives?
Any kind. From undercover, to white collar, to international.

Where and under what circumstances?
Try to be general, you do not have to be specific.

...

tutuzdad-ga, I'm reading below and I've noticed that you are asking me
to be too specific. Perhaps what I want is a very general answer. What
if anything relates to MOST cases? I'd say an example below would:

"It would be rather a good idea for anyone who officially gets
arrested and has their miranda rights read to them, to STOP TALKING
ALTOGETHER -- after requesting to speak with the attorney."

I am not looking for a specific "Getting away from Undercover
Narcotics Detective for Dummies" guide, but more of a "Know How to
Respond without Getting the Situation Heated Up.. er.. for Dummies" :)

Im sure your experience will come very handy.

Please let me know if you have any more questions. I cannot wait to
hear from someone who has a professional say on this subject,
especially who dealt in the field for 22 years!

Thank you once more.

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 05 Jun 2004 21:40 PDT
Please be patient. Let me give your clarification some thought to see
if I can address some of your concerns. In the meantime I recommend
you use caution buying into some of the comments you may get here
since this is a topic that may bait some of the more paranoid
tourists. There may be some non-researchers (whose usernames do not
appear as active links) who are all too willing to offer their,
*ahem*, 2 cents on the subject.  :]

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga
Answer  
Subject: Re: How to Communicate/Respond/Act Around/Deal With/etc with Law Enforcement
Answered By: tutuzdad-ga on 06 Jun 2004 21:17 PDT
 
Dear ryananderson-ga;

Ok. Let us embark on this project and see if we can work toward
shedding some light on the REALITIES with regard to your questions.
Keep in mind that this is not intended to be legal advice or to
replace the advice of a licensed attorney in any jurisdiction.

First let me state for the record that I am going to speak generally
as much as possible, taking into account the fact that situations tend
to vary from one jurisdiction to another.

Secondly, I must assume that you want to the TRUTH as opposed to the
various OPINIONS related to the subjects so with that in mind I am
providing honest and unbiased answers and intentionally avoiding the
more paranoid leanings (which are abundantly available on the internet
and elsewhere) as sources for information.

Thirdly, let me restate for the record that it is impossible to gauge
every potential situation likely to occur. It is important to be able
to establish a point at which we can eventually close this question
(rather than have a never ending exchange). Bearing this necessity in
mind, where possible I have tried to stay within the parameters of the
specific hypothetical situations you described or offered by own
hypothetical situations where necessary.

Finally, it is important to note that there are many ways to do
something right. It is impractical to believe that we can cover them
all, just as we cannot cover all the potentially wrong choices in any
given situation. In each situation I have endeavored to give you a
method of ?doing the right things? but there may very well be others
that I am not able to describe fully in the time that we have.

Let us start at the beginning:

MIRANDA RIGHTS (sometimes called MORANDA WARNING)

Here is the brief story behind the Miranda Warning:

?In 1963, Ernesto Miranda was arrested for robbery, kidnapping, and
rape. He was interrogated by police and confessed. At trial,
prosecutors offered only his confession as evidence and he was
convicted. The Supreme Court ruled (Miranda v. Arizona 384 US 436 June
13, 1966) that Miranda was intimidated by the interrogation and that
he understood neither his right not to incriminate himself nor his
right to have counsel.?
WIKIPEDIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_Warning

It should be noted ?The Supreme Court did not specify the exact
wording to be used when reading a suspect's rights. However, they did
set down a set of guidelines which must be followed. The ruling
states:

"...The person in custody must, prior to interrogation, be clearly
informed that he has the right to remain silent, and that anything he
says will be used against him in court; he must be clearly informed
that he has the right to consult with a lawyer and to have the lawyer
with him during interrogation, and that, if he is indigent, a lawyer
will be appointed to represent him."

WIKIPEDIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_Warning

Miranda v. Arizona 384 US 436 June 13, 1966
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_v._Arizona


Having said that, the general Miranda Warning goes something like this:

You have the right to remain silent. 

Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. 

You have the right to have an attorney present during questioning. If
you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you at no
cost to you.

If you decide to answer questions now without an attorney present, you
have the right to stop answering at any time.

Do you understand these rights as I have explained them to you?

. . . . . . . . .

Now, Terry v. Ohio (sometimes called the ?stop and frisk? decision) is
outlined here:

John W. TERRY v. STATE OF OHIO 392 U.S. 1, 88 S.Ct. 1968
http://www.soc.umn.edu/~samaha/cases/terry%20v%20ohio.html

I recommend you familiarize yourself with this decision in order to
gain some insight into ?pat downs?, ?frisking? and ?investigative
stops?.
. . . . . . . . .

I am going to get to your first question in a moment so please bear
with me. I think this is important to discuss first however:

As a human being, a police officer is just like anyone else in the
world. He has a home, hobbies, a family, likes, dislikes, and things
that push his buttons. He gets up in the morning, pets his dog, kisses
his wife and kids, puts on his pants one leg at a time and ventures
off to his job. By the same token some officers are sensitive, and
some are not. Some are sympathetic and some are not. And yes, just
like the butchers and bakers and candlestick makers of the world, some
police officers are intelligent and some are just plain dumb. Some
have a sense of humor and a greater level of tolerance and some are
much more serious and more easily irritated. Law enforcement, as a
profession, is the same microcosm of the world as any other profession
except in one unique sense that makes it different from most others ?
law enforcement is not just a job, IT IS A CHOSEN LIFESTYLE. Officers
have lost the innocence of ignorance enjoyed by the majority of the
world by virtue of witnessing the worst that life has to offer. Once
this innocence is lost there?s no turning back; no regaining it. By
sworn oath, law enforcement officers are truly devoted to helping
PEOPLE, to preserving the peace and to upholding the law. For the most
part, they are defenders of right, guardians of those who cannot
protect themselves and the last line of defense should they be called
upon. We take this creed so seriously that nothing ? and I mean
NOTHING ? stands in our way to fulfill our destiny.

Because of the nature of the profession, law enforcement officers
often become suspicious of everything they see and hear. This
suspicion is a tool that develops over time and through experience,
and allows the officer to react instinctively to life threatening
situations (Yes, sometimes even over-react). Ironically, once the
capability is acquired (as police officer?s spouses will attest) there
is no way to turn it off completely, therefore the suspicion carries
over into their private lives as well. The officer literally BECOMES a
suspicious person himself and as such, tends to gravitate only toward
those with whom he shares this common bond ? other police officers.
Why do I mention all this? Simple, because police officers are an
exception to the social rule. To non-police officers they might seem
odd, indifferent, aloof, or just plain weird. Even to their (few)
non-law enforcement friends or even family members they can seem hard
to communicate with. It is understandable then that someone who had a
chance meeting with an officer in a professional capacity might be
intimidated.

I also want to say this before we begin in earnest; law enforcement
officers are undoubtedly the bravest human beings in American society
today, but bravery is NEVER indicative of a lack of fear. One must put
his obligations into perspective and understand that, unlike the
butcher, baker and candlestick maker, EVERY SINGLE DAY an officer is
faced with real, life threatening fear, even of that fear is unfounded
or unsubstantiated. Is he shot at every day? No. Does he face a
deranged axe murderer every single day? No, certainly not. But the
officer must condition himself to react instinctively to every
potential threat, and to him every person, car, corner, and situation
HAS that potential. In his mind he understands that there are no ?time
outs?, ?do-overs? and ?second chances?. Dead is dead, and like
everyone else, he desperately wants to get back home at the end of the
day in one piece, walking under his own power, to hug his children,
kiss his wife, pet his dog knowing that though his suspicion he?s
bought himself one more day so tomorrow and do it all again.

Why do they do this? Who knows? Love for their fellow man? A
professional ?calling?? A genetic predisposition to defend the
underdog? A glutton for punishment? The truth is no one really knows
why these people are compelled to become insufficiently paid,
life-risking defenders, but clearly, at some point, they drop out of
the ?normal? marching line of society and move toward the small circle
of likeminded individuals who take on this task, and by all accounts
it?s a good thing for all of us that they do.

. . . . . . . . .

So let?s get started:

?How must one communicate with a law enforcement officer??

In short, the best way to communicate with an officer is to BE POLITE.
Self-discipline will go a long, long way to your benefit, especially
in those first few nervous minutes of the confrontation/conversation.
The officer is already suspicious by nature and training and obviously
suspicious of YOU in particular or he wouldn?t have stopped you in the
first place, so he will be on a high state of alert for anything that
might confirm his suspicions about you or the situation. The officer
is very focused at this point and any misstatements, gestures,
inconsistencies or inflection you might offer can easily sway his
opinion of the seriousness of the situation.
. . . . . . . . .

?Being stopped by a law enforcement agent in the middle of the night?

Be polite and accommodating. Even if you ?did? do something wrong I
can tell you from experience that I have been much more willing to
work with people in the past because of their polite attitude (many,
many times) and admittedly less concerned about the impact an arrest
would have on them when their attitude toward me was poor. If you have
broken the law and an officer has reason to pull you over, what is to
be gained by compounding the situation by rebuking him, being
disrespectful, or fighting the inevitable? The officer behind the
badge is just a man. But the respect you show for the officer is
directly commensurate with your level of respect for the law he
represents. It?s as simple as that - and believe me, he ?knows? this
and will initially judge you by it. Keep in mind too that the officer
does not have x-ray vision or superhuman capabilities. It?s late, it?s
dark and he?s going to be extremely defensive minded in his readiness
to respond to any perceived threat. Quick movements or unnecessary
gestures are NOT a good idea. Keep your hands on the top of the
steering wheel unless he asks you to move them. The officer will
approach you out of convenient view for obvious reasons. Don?t try and
turn around or adjust your mirrors at this point to get a better look
at him. He will reveal himself better to you once he is convinced
there is no imminent threat.

. . . . . . . . .

?Being searched?

If an officer has approached you with the intention of searching you,
chances are he has the legal right to do so. If you resist being
physically searched you will likely be hurt. Whether the officer has
the authority to search your or not can be debated after the fact. If
his search is illegal then anything he finds can theoretically be
suppressed in court. However, the fact remains that right or wrong,
you don?t want to get injured over it. There?s nothing wrong with
verbally (yet politely) protesting while submitting to a search (?Will
you explain why are you searching me??, ?I didn?t do anything that
requires you to search me?, ?Sir, I don?t believe you have the legal
right to search me?, ?What you are doing isn?t legal.? ? you should be
right though when you accuse him of this last one). My best advice is
to submit to the search rather than risk a much worse chain of events.
If you?ve done nothing wrong you have little to worry about other than
the principle of the thing. This can always be addressed later as a
complaint or a lawsuit.


. . . . . . . . .

?Asked to open the door without arrest warrant?

If you are talking about a car, you probably have no legal choice.
Terry v. Ohio clearly establishes the authority for such a request
provided the circumstances warrant it. On the other hand, if you are
talking about your house, you simply don?t have to if you don?t want
to. You can politely refuse in most situations. You can stand behind
your screen door and ask them why there are making the request and
what their business is with you. But you don?t have to invite them in.

. . . . . . . . .

?Being pulled over?

By all means, comply with it, no matter what the circumstances are.
You have no idea why you are being stopped, who the police believe you
may be, or what they think you might have done. If you refuse to stop
you risk serious personal injury as well as damage to your car. As I
mentioned above, be polite and accommodating. There?s nothing wrong
with asking questions. If an officer has probable cause to search your
car he?ll do it whether you want him to or not. If he ASKS you for
permission to search your car it?s because he has no probable cause to
search it WITHOUT your permission. You can politely refuse if you are
asked. Keep in mind that if you do allow him to search your car, you
can rescind that permission and make him stop at any time, or,
alternatively you can say, ?Sure, you can search everything except my
trunk? and the officer will be bound my this legal restriction.

Will this raise his suspicions? Yep. 

Will he ask questions about the trunk? I?d say the likelihood of that is great. 

Do you have to answer him? No. You ?could? simply say, ?I have
personal belonging in the trunk that I?d prefer you didn?t mess with.?

What will he do if I do this? He might summon a drug dog to sniff your
trunk, which he can legally do in many situations. Such a cursory
search of the vehicle?s exterior has been held to be legal in many
cases. If the dog alerts on the trunk this may establish probable
cause and your trunk may end up being searched anyway. If there is not
drug dog in that jurisdiction, then obviously the officer may just
have to respect your right to preclude him from searching certain
parts of your car.

If the officer wants to see various documents (ID, license, insurance,
etc) show it to him. If it?s in your glove compartment say ?Can I open
my glove compartment??. Let him know you are going to do it before
hand. Don?t just lean over and grab the glove compartment door.

There is nothing wrong with asking the officer "Are you detaining me?
Am I free to leave?"

. . . . . . . . .

?Questioned as a suspect?

Again, being polite and respectful will work toward your benefit. If
you are being questioned you don?t HAVE to say anything at all. You
can literally remain silent or you can simply say, ?I have nothing to
say?. If you are told you might be arrested (and you still don?t want
to talk) you can, within your rights, request a lawyer if you are
going to be arrested and questioned. Even if you?ve done nothing wrong
you still don?t have to answer any questions. However, it would seem
quite an imposition to exercise your right to remain silent just for
the sake of doing it when cooperating would have better results.

. . . . . . . . .

?How can you respond properly and utilize your rights??

i.e ?trying to get into someone's house without a warrant.?

?How can you respond properly and utilize your rights?? Simply say no,
that you don?t want to let them in. There?s nothing wrong with this.
Again, if they ask your permission it?s because they can?t do it
otherwise. You have the right to decline if you are asked and if you
do give permission you can rescind that permission at any time or
restrict your permission to certain rooms, drawers, closets, or other
locations as you see fit.

If the police have enough probable cause to search your home you can
bet that they would have obtained a warrant first. If you decline
their request, they may come back with a warrant, they may not. Again,
your attitude can make a difference.

. . . . . . . . .

?The officer is suspicious, and asks you to empty your pockets.
Without a reasonable explanation, they cannot search you, and you have
the right to refuse to empty your pockets (which will probably lead to
you being detained, but nevertheless, only THEN can they search you)?

There are far too many variables to answer this one definitively. The
best I can say here is that you CAN say no. Whether or not this
results in your detention or arrest remains to be seen depending on
the situation. If the officer is in fear of his life you will be
searched. Maybe not to the extent that he goes into your pockets, but
if you refuse you may find yourself face down on the ground while he
methodically feels of everything on your person through your clothing.
If the officer feels something that gives him reason to believe it is
a weapon, he WILL go into your pockets. If he feels something while
searching for weapons that gives him the impression it is contraband,
he MIGHT go into your clothing to retrieve it. Whether you are
actually convicted of possessing it or not would be for a court to
decide based in the legality of the search, but the fact remains that
you may go to jail and face some real imposition because of it before
the court gets around to hearing the case.

There is no trickery involved here but the way it is presented can be
used to obtain consent. If an officer says ?Will you empty your
pockets for me?? and you do it, you have consented to his examination
of the contents of your pockets. If you refuse to empty our pockets
and he moves to search you, it is not a wise to resist. He may be
doing something illegal, but that doesn?t mean you should do something
illegal too. ?Failure to submit to arrest?, a lesser form of resisting
arrest, is a crime in many jurisdictions and your refusal to comply
might be mistaken for a refusal to submit.

. . . . . . . . .

??rights in terms of when you speak/communicate/come in contact with an officer.?

Once again, you don?t HAVE to speak AT ALL.
You don?t HAVE to incriminate yourself. 
You don?t HAVE to confess. 
You don?t HAVE to verbally cooperate. 
You don?t HAVE to answer questions.
You don?t HAVE give the officer other people?s names, number or addresses.
You don?t HAVE say where you are going or where you came from.

. . . . . . . . .

?What if anything you must or must never do when confronted by a detective??

A detective has no more legal authority that a patrol officer. The
same applies to one as applies to the other.

. . . . . . . . .

?Confronted: Either asked as a witness, contacted as a suspect or
confronted as a criminal.?

As a potential witness, if you want to cooperate, by all means do so.
Be polite, answer questions, and offer information where applicable.
If you witnessed an incident and do not wish to cooperate, don?t. You
don?t have to. You can simply refuse to speak about it. No one can
legally force you to talk if you don?t want to.

As a suspect (see above ??rights in terms of when you
speak/communicate/come in contact with an officer.?) you don?t have to
cooperate if you don?t want to. If you do choose to cooperate, many
lawyers recommend that answer only the questions asked of you and
offer nothing more. Be polite. Be brief. Be confident. Be consistent.

As a criminal: You still don?t have to cooperate but don?t make it
harder on yourself by being a jerk. Since you are already deemed a
?criminal? (i.e. arrested for at least one crime already) this
attitude will only get you no where but in deeper trouble. Be as
polite and respectful as you can under the circumstances. Personally,
I?ve even been known in many cases to choose certain minimal charges
to arrest criminals for when they have been respectful and
cooperative. I, like many of my colleagues, understand that some
people, even though they might have broken the law this one time, are
not altogether ?bad? people. On the other hand, I?ve ?thrown the book?
so to speak, at those who made it worse for themselves by running off
at the head inappropriately or unnecessarily.

. . . . . . . . .

Ok, now that I think we?ve addresses each of your specific questions
I?ll offer some insight and opinion from my lifetime of law
enforcement service. If it?s alright with you I?ll do it in my own
little impromptu Q&A here:

?Is it wise to remain silent if I am questioned by police??

It depends. I can?t offer legal advice in this forum and you should
really consult an attorney on this, but if it were me, knowing what I
know about the issues now, as a suspect I?d remain SELECTIVELY SILENT.
 What do I mean by that? Well, although remaining silent is indeed one
of your rights, it does tend to raise some red flags as you might
imagine. There?s nothing really that can be done about it from an
officer?s perspective but it doesn?t do too much for one?s
credibility. Personally, I?d choose which questions I?d answer and I?d
answer them directly, briefly and politely. The ones I choose not to
answer I?d simply shrug or say something ambiguous like ?who knows??.
Keep in mind that ANYTHING you say, even a lie, CAN be held against
you. It isn?t a good idea to lie but if you can provide polite answer
that doesn?t give away anything, it might be something to consider
doing. This way you have seemingly cooperated without actually doing
so. If the question got too complicated or I couldn?t provide an
ambiguous answer, I?d stop the questioning by asking my own questions
?Am I being arrested sir??, ?What?s this all about sir??, ?I don?t
understand sir. Can you explain it to me again??, and so forth (not
the respect given here). In a worst-case scenario I?d refuse to answer
and ask to have a lawyer present before the questioning continued.

On the other hand, if I didn?t have anything to hide, I (personally)
would tell the=m whatever they wanted to know in the hope that they?d
soon understand that I am not the person they are looking for.

?Can I legally give a police officer ?the finger???

This is a matter of jurisdictional interpretation. Where I work a
citizen is permitted to ?flip off? an officer provided that it is not
intended to provoke him. If it is a spontaneous gesture or rendered as
merely an opinionated gesture, the saluting party will not be
arrested. Courts have ruled that this gesture, albeit an offensive one
by most people?s standards, is protected by the First Ammendment. On
the other hand, some jurisdictions are not so universal in their
thinking and the gesture could be construed as disorderly conduct or
threatening or provocative behavior. Whatever ever the case, it is not
wise to risk spending a few nights in jail just to see if you?ll be
convicted of it. In short, the middle finger is still not a good idea.

?How does an offer view swearing??

Most will overlook it as long as it is not directed at them. If you
are speaking to them generally about a subject and use swear words, it
will probably be dismissed. If you are yelling swear words in public,
you might find yourself arrested for disorderly conduct if other
people can hear it. From a human standpoint, like most people, the
officer will probably think to himself that you have very little class
or limited education and can?t express yourself adequately without
using swear words. From a professional standpoint, he?ll probably
tolerate it up to a point.

?Are the terms ?Pig?, ?Cop?, ?5-0?, ?Narc?, etc illegal??

No. And what?s more they don?t break the majority of officers hearts
either for the most part but they do tend to send up red flags about a
person?s level of respect for the law and his level of self-control
and discipline. On the other hand, if you point at an officer, grit
your teeth and yell, ?Pig!? at him, you will likely find yourself in
danger of further investigation. Not because of WHAT you said, but HOW
you said it. In other words, I?d venture to say that if you pointed at
him, gritted your teeth and yelled ?Cow!? you?d probably get the same
results.


?Can I demand to speak to officer?s supervisor??

Certainly. You?d be surprised at the results of some ?citizen
complaints?. These are taken very seriously as there is little margin
for error in law enforcement. Over the years I?ve seen officers
reprimanded for doing things wrong, I?ve seen the fired, and I?ve even
seen them sent to jail over complaints that turned out to be well
founded.

?What venues get the most attention if I wanted to complain??

My experience is that the local newspaper gets the best results. The
mayor, chief, police commission, et al, do not like negative press and
avoid it like the plague. A handily authored letter to the local
newspaper Editor or investigative newspaper reporter is often a
miracle in the making for a mistreated citizen. Why am I telling you
this? Isn?t this kind of information tantamount to being a traitor to
my own cause? I?m telling you what every citizen should know and every
officer should be concerned about because mistreated citizens have
rights too and officers who mistreat them should be publicly exposed
and dealt with. Traitor? Well, call it what you will. I?m all about
PROTECTING AND SERVING. If that means exposing one of my own then so
be it. No one is above the law. I?ve done it before and I?m prepared
to do it again if necessary. I have no qualms against it.



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post a clarification request prior to rating the answer. I?ll be happy
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Terry v Ohio

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Request for Answer Clarification by ryananderson-ga on 09 Jun 2004 18:03 PDT
Hello tutuzdad, 

I ran into a few things the past few days and wasnt really able to go
through all of my answers. I will do so around the Weekend and
continue our discussion or rate the answer (that looks great) then.

Thank you

Clarification of Answer by tutuzdad-ga on 09 Jun 2004 18:54 PDT
Great! I look forward to your review and final rating. In the meantime
let me apologize for my shortness with the commenters below. The
issue, as you can clearly see, is one very near and dear to me. Like
many who are sensitive in this regard, I have buried a number of close
friends over the years who died in the line of duty, and to have their
couragous memories belittled by ungracious recipients of their supreme
sacrifice is intolerable. I have little compassion for the paranoia
driven nonsense on these issues promulgated by the ill-informed.

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga
Comments  
Subject: Re: How to Communicate/Respond/Act Around/Deal With/etc with Law Enforcement
From: cocoajoe-ga on 05 Jun 2004 19:03 PDT
 
This is nowhere near a complete answer but interesting nonetheless:
Your Rights When Questioned by the Police Useful Information from Austin Copwatch

Contrary to what you see on television, police do not have to read
your rights when you are arrested. In fact, they can legally lie about
them. Its important to know in advance what your rights are when
dealing with the police, because your rights are the only flimsy
protection you have.

Three Levels of Interaction

There are three levels of encounter with the police. The first is
conversation. Police do not need to prove they had a reason to begin a
conversation with you, but what you say can still be used against you
in court. However, in a conversation you don't have to say anything,
not even your name. Copwatch suggests asking "Am I being detained?"
and if not, walking away without another word. Being detained is the
next level of encounter. To detain you, police must prove they had
"reasonable suspicion" that you were involved in a particular crime.
If you are detained, you can still remain silent, and you do not need
to identify yourself. You cannot be prosecuted for failing to identify
yourself- it is not a crime! On the other hand police can legally
establish a positive ID for you, which means that if you do not give
ID you can be taken to a station and held for fingerprinting and a
warrant check. Copwatch suggests that if you don't have any
outstanding warrants you should tell the police your name and
birthdate, or show them your ID. Copwatch also suggests asking police
why you are being detained and memorizing their response for use in
court later. "Reasonable suspicion" is a looser requirement than the
"probable cause" needed to arrest you, but if police can't prove they
had it, or if the suspicion they give is too weak, it can help your
case in court. Copwatch does not suggest arguing about this at the
time of detention, however. If you are detained, say nothing further!
Assume that if police had been able to arrest you they would have done
so, and that they are now hoping you will say or do something that
gives them the "probable cause" they need. If you are arrested, say
nothing at all. Police can legally lie: they can claim you've waived
your rights, claim that since you aren't a lawyer, you have to let
them determine what your rights are, claim they can hold you for long
periods of time unless you cooperate, threaten you with extreme
sentences or offer to let you off easy in exchange for giving
information about yourself or other people. They can claim to be
gathering evidence to help you. Remember- only a judge and jury can
determine whether you get off the hook or not, or what your sentence
will be. Police can only gather evidence to use against you. Say
nothing! If police lie to you and you fall for it, it can still be
used against you in court!

Searches

There are different levels of searches as well. The first is called a
Terry Search or a pat-down. If you are detained, you can be patted
down. A pat down can only go over the outside of your clothes, and can
only legally be used to find weapons. Police can not go through your
pockets at this time, and you do not have to empty your pockets for
them. If police pat you down and find contraband other than a weapon,
supposedly they can't arrest you for it. If you are arrested, you can
be searched to the skin. Police can only search a house with a warrant
specifying the address and signed by a judge. The only exception to
this is if you are in custody (detained or arrested) and you enter a
house. Police will try to trick you with this- if you are arrested on
your front lawn, they may offer you a chance to get your jacket from
your house. The minute you set foot inside, you give them automatic
permission to search the entire building. Do not enter any building
when you are in custody. Police can legally search your vehicle
without a warrant, but must have probably cause. This is the same
requirement as searching a house, but a judge does not need to approve
it in advance. If a cop ever asks before searching you or your
property, say "I do not consent to this search." If they could already
begin searching, they would do so without asking, so consider any
question a sign that they do not have probable cause. Saying this will
probably not stop the cops, but it may be useful in court later.

From 'The Austin Javelina' For more information, contact Austin
Copwatch at (512) 472-0979 or write: Austin Copwatch 2932 E. 12th St.
Austin, TX 78702
Subject: Re: How to Communicate/Respond/Act Around/Deal With/etc with Law Enforcement
From: tutuzdad-ga on 05 Jun 2004 21:30 PDT
 
"Police do not need to prove they had a reason to begin a conversation
with you, but what you say can still be used against you in court."
FALSE - This is simply not universally true in every instance.

"in a conversation you don't have to say anything, not even your
name." FALSE - In many situations you ARE required to identify
yourself if asked to do so.

"If you are detained, you can still remain silent, and you do not need
to identify yourself." TRUE - you CAN remain silent when it comes to
your identification, and you will remain in JAIL!

"If you are detained, say nothing further!" Not always the smartest
approach. Especially if you've done nothing wrong.

"A pat down can only go over the outside of your clothes, and can only
legally be used to find weapons." WRONG AGAIN! Terry v Ohio permits a
stop and frisk situation but if the officer thinks he feels something
suspcious you can bet he's going in deeper than just the outside of
your clothes.

"Police can only search a house with a warrant specifying the address
and signed by a judge. The only exception to this is if you are in
custody (detained or arrested) and you enter a house. Police will try
to trick you with this- if you are arrested on your front lawn, they
may offer you a chance to get your jacket from your house." THIS IS
JUST AN IGNORANT STAMENT ON IT'S FACE. No need to elaborate further.

"Police can legally lie: they can claim you've waived your rights,
claim that since you aren't a lawyer, you have to let them determine
what your rights are"
This outlandish nonsense sickened me so I chose quote from it further,
but certainly you can see my point. It's no wonder you are looking for
an educated opinion about your questions. With hogwash like this about
it's understandable why you are concerned.

My vast experience in law enforcement tells me that the information
posted by the commenter appears to be is nothing more than paranoid
drivel soaked up from someone's ill-informed internet nighmare and
serves no purpose to to unnecessarily inflame and compound the fears
of the public. In my opinion it represents a fine example of the type
of the silliness to be avoided if you are interested in professional,
honest, and unbiased research.

tutuzdad-ga
Subject: Re: How to Communicate/Respond/Act Around/Deal With/etc with Law Enforcement
From: tutuzdad-ga on 05 Jun 2004 21:44 PDT
 
Forgive the typos - I was typing fast and probably hitting the
keyboard way too HARD.
Subject: a simple answer
From: daytrader76-ga on 06 Jun 2004 19:34 PDT
 
This is an easy one.

Casually on the street, just be a nice person.  Wave, smile, let the
nice officer go first at the stop sign.  If you are pulled over while
driving, keep both hands visible on the wheel, turn on the dome light
if at night, do not make sudden movements, announce that you are
reaching into your glove compartment before you do so, smile, be
courteous, address the LEO as "sir" or "officer."  Do not flunk the
"attitude test."  Do not have a bumper sticker on your car that says
"Bad Cop, No Doughnut!"

If you feel you are suspected of a crime other than a traffic ticket,
shut up!  Your mouth is your biggest enemy.  Wait until you are in
control of your mouth.  If you must speak, you may ask, "am I under
arrest?"  If the LEO does not answer "yes" then just walk away.  If
you are under arrest, the only acceptable comments for you to make are
questions about your lawyer.  When can you call him/her?  Insist that
you want to help the arresting officers as much as possible as soon as
your lawyer gets here.  Your lawyer will keep you from saying anything
stupid.

Cops lie.  They will tell you anything to extract useful information.
Subject: Re: How to Communicate/Respond/Act Around/Deal With/etc with Law Enforcement
From: pinkfreud-ga on 07 Jun 2004 09:29 PDT
 
Tutuzdad,

This was one of the most interesting, informative answers I've ever
read on GA. Thank you very much for sharing your expertise and your
insights.

~Pink
Subject: Re: How to Communicate/Respond/Act Around/Deal With/etc with Law Enforcement
From: soulsister979-ga on 28 Jun 2004 20:03 PDT
 
If an officer ask for the keys to you car, as in emptying your
pockets, and you hand them to him/her, can this be interepreted as
waiving your 4th admendment right?
Subject: Re: How to Communicate/Respond/Act Around/Deal With/etc with Law Enforcement
From: tutuzdad-ga on 29 Jun 2004 06:49 PDT
 
Interesting question. If you'd like to post it as an official question
and request me specifically I'd be delighted to answer it for you.

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga
Subject: Re: How to Communicate/Respond/Act Around/Deal With/etc with Law Enforcement
From: liner-ga on 29 Jun 2004 08:51 PDT
 
One other thing:

Just the other day the Supreme Court said that a person must identify
himself/herself with their name when asked.  What is not clear, at
least according to the reports that I read, are the circumstances you
must give your name.  This will be sorted out in the courts for some
time to come.
Subject: Re: How to Communicate/Respond/Act Around/Deal With/etc with Law Enforcement
From: ham148-ga on 04 Jul 2004 16:01 PDT
 
As "liner" mentioned a recent US Supreme Court decided - in one
specific case from Nevada - that the person had to identify himself to
the police.  However, it should be noted that the decision was based
on the state law of Nevada, and even Justice Kennedy, in the majority
opinion, noted that the laws are different in other states:

"In some States, a suspect?s refusal to identify himself is a
misdemeanor offense or civil violation; in others, it is a factor to
be considered in whether the sus-pect has violated loitering laws. In
other States, a suspect may decline to identify himself without
penalty"

It was seen by some (many) as backtracking on Terry v Ohio, and it
will no doubt come up again.  The court decision, and it's not
TERRIBLY difficult to understand, is at
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/21june20041210/www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/03pdf/03-5554.pdf
 or via http://tinyurl.com/3ecjn

The dissenting opinions are interesting as well.  

This decision seems to say, in the end, that it depends on the wording
of each state's law, as well as, of course, the circumstances.  And,
the "Attorneys/Judges Lifetime Employment Guarantee" throws in the
other variables, such as what constitutes "identifying yourself."  is
verbal sufficient?  Have to show some paperwork, like a drivers
license?

I'd politely identify myself at the very least.  I don't believe ANY
state (or the Constitution) requires you to do more than that IF you
don't want to.
Subject: Re: How to Communicate/Respond/Act Around/Deal With/etc with Law Enforcement
From: tutuzdad-ga on 04 Jul 2004 16:36 PDT
 
I agree with most of your comment but your assumption that no state
"requires more" is incorrect. Consider this from the California Penal
Code (emphasis here is mine):

CALIFORNIA CODES
PENAL CODE
SECTION 647(e)

(e) Who loiters or wanders upon the streets or from place to place
without apparent reason or business and who refuses to identify
himself or herself *AND* TO ACCOUNT FOR HIS OR HER PRESENCE when
requested by any peace officer so to do, if the surrounding
circumstances would indicate to a reasonable person that the public
safety demands this identification.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=98417728794+3+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

Clearly then, California is one state at least that REQUIRES one speak
rather than remain silent, in certain circumstances, AND to not only
properly identify himself, but to explain "on the spot" why he or she
is there and what his or her business is at that specific location if
asked to do so by an officer.

tutuzdad-ga
Subject: Re: How to Communicate/Respond/Act Around/Deal With/etc with Law Enforcement
From: tutuzdad-ga on 04 Jul 2004 16:39 PDT
 
I should have pointed out that under CA Penal Code anyone who violates
the law in this manner can be charged with disorderly conduct, a
misdemeanor. To fail to identify one's self AND to explain your reason
for being at that specific location in this circumstance is, under the
law in California, probable cause for arrest under this statute.

tutuzdad-ga

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