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Subject: rights for using photos/images from the WWW
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: dashman-ga
List Price: $30.00
Posted: 07 Jun 2004 18:34 PDT
Expires: 07 Jul 2004 18:34 PDT
Question ID: 357893
I'm interested in knowing what has been said on the WWW on this topic:
how to know whether it's ok to use someone else's image on your
website (potentially a corporate site).  I.e., I go to a site; I find
a picture that I want to put on my corporate site; I wonder, gee, can
I do that?

Please note that I'm not asking for legal advice from you guys or
anyone.  I just want to know what people have said on the matter.  No
philosophy or stray musings, though: I'd like rules of thumb and
examples.

I'd like the answer by Thursday.  However, if it comes sooner I will
tip accordingly.
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Subject: Re: rights for using photos/images from the WWW
Answered By: hummer-ga on 07 Jun 2004 20:30 PDT
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Hi dashman,

Briefly, no, you shouldn't copy any image without asking permission
from the owner of the website unless there is a note expressly stating
that you are free to do so.

The Internet is public domain, so isn't everything fair game?
"No. The copyright laws that apply to written material, photographs,
and a myriad of other items apply on the Internet too. You cannot just
take and use what ever you feel like."
http://www.htmlgoodies.com/tutors/copyright.html

Copyright on the Internet
"This discussion addresses U.S. copyright issues of concern to those
who post to or own email lists or host web pages. It also deals with
situations where someone might want to forward or archive another's
email posting or to copy material from another's web page.
Copyright gives authors, artists and others the right to exclude
others from using their works. Federal rights arise automatically when
a protectable work has been fixed in a tangible medium such as a
floppy disk or hard drive. A poem or picture is as much protected on a
disk as on a piece of paper or canvas."
http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/copynet.htm

What is copyright?
"Copyright is a form of protection grounded in the U.S. Constitution
and granted by law for original works of authorship fixed in a
tangible medium of expression. Copyright covers both published and
unpublished works."
"When is my work protected?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and
fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or
with the aid of a machine or device."
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html

Copyright Laws and the Internet:
"Works put on the Internet are considered ?published? and therefore
qualify for copyright protection. A work put on the Internet is not
considered public domain simply because it was posted on the Internet
and free for anyone to download and copy. You need permission from the
site owner to publish any materials, including photographs, music, and
artwork from the site."
http://www.legal-database.com/copyright-laws-internet-law.htm

"Copying photos, animations, greeting cards: These are all copyrighted
works and should not be displayed on a personal site without obtaining
permission."
http://www.cybersmartcurriculum.org/lesson_plans/68_09.asp

10 Big Myths about copyright explained:
"For example, in the USA, almost everything created privately and
originally after April 1, 1989 is copyrighted and protected whether it
has a notice or not. The default you should assume for other people's
works is that they are copyrighted and may not be copied unless you
know otherwise."
"Postings to the net are not granted to the public domain, and don't
grant you any permission to do further copying except perhaps the sort
of copying the poster might have expected in the ordinary flow of the
net."
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

Copyright and the Internet:
"Even if no copyright notice appears, the material is copyrighted
since it was published on the Internet after 1989. the year when
copyright notice was no longer required."
"You may not copy material from a Web site onto your site without
permission. You may provide a link, however."
"You may not copy photos either for distribution, publication, or use
in your own Web site."
"You may copy if permission is expressly granted on the web site from
which you are taking the information."
http://www.pnc.edu/cd/copyright/internet.html

Additional Links of Interest:

What is a registered copyright?
"Copyright is granted automatically, but you must register the
copyright with the Library of Congress to be able to sue if someone
infringes your copyright. The registration process is inexpensive and
may be done at any time up to 3 months after the infringement has
occurred. If you register prior to infringement you are able to sue
for additional damages and attorneys fees."
http://www.ucop.edu/ott/crbasics.html

"In order to sue an infringer the copyright holder must register the
photo.[7] In order to register the photo, the photographer must
possess the photo. Traditionally this is not a problem because the
photographer would have a negative, or a print or a slide or some
tangible object as a photo. If the photographer has scanned the photo
onto a home page or provided the photo to a gallery then there would
be no problem if the photographer retains the original. See Philip
Greenspun's FAQ on photo scanning. Similarly a CD disk photo would
also be tangible to register. However when a photographer uses a
filmless camera this projects images directly onto a computer for
real-time adjustment.[8] If a photographer were to upload this kind of
photo, some tangible print would still be required for
registration.[9]"
http://www.gsu.edu/~lawppw/lawand.papers/KB4.html

Copyright, A Guide for Photographers:
http://www.eff.org/IP/asmp_copyright.paper

Copyright on the Internet Quiz:
http://literacy.kent.edu/Oasis/Workshops/copyquiz.html

I hope I've been able to find the kind of statements you are looking
for. If not, or if you have any questions, please post a clarification
request before closing/rating my answer and I'll be happy to respond.

Thank you,
hummer

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Request for Answer Clarification by dashman-ga on 08 Jun 2004 06:14 PDT
Thanks for your reply, hummer!  

I'm not yet satisfied with this answer, though.  You've laid out the
basic legal issue.  But fair use IS sometimes permitted.  And couldn't
a great many websites be considered "reporting"  - what's required for
that?  Also, what about the possibility of using a photo, crediting
it, and being prepared to remove if necessary?  Answering questions
like these would provide some good "rules of thumb" for fair use.

Thanks!!

Clarification of Answer by hummer-ga on 08 Jun 2004 08:40 PDT
Hi dashman,

RULE OF THUMB #1: *When in Doubt, Ask Permission*. More often than
not, owners will be happy to let you use their photographs as long as
you include a link to the original.

>>>>>>>>>>>

"But fair use IS sometimes permitted."

Yes, "...for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting,
teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship,
or research..."

Chapter 1: An Overview of Copyright: II.I. Fair Use:
"Probably one of the most misunderstood concepts in copyright law is
fair use. This is a doctrine that provides a defense to copyright
infringement for some acts. But determination of whether or not
something is a fair use is fact-intensive. No particular act is
automatically fair use, and all four factors listed in Section 107
must be considered:
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use
of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or
phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for
purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching
(including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or
research, is not an infringement of copyright."
http://digital-law-online.info/lpdi1.0/treatise13.html

>>>>>>>>>>>

And couldn't a great many websites be considered "reporting"  - what's
required for that?

Your original question asked about copying photos and displaying them
on your website.

REPORTING:

"Fair use" vs. foul play:
http://www.salon.com/tech/log/1999/11/10/copyright/

How Much of Someone Else's Work May I Use Without Asking Permission?: 
The Fair Use Doctrine, Part I:
"Because the courts consider all four factors - no single factor is
and of itself sufficient to prove fair use - publishers need to
understand each factor as it relates to determining whether use of the
original copyrighted work in the creation of a new work will be
considered fair use in the eyes of the court."
http://www.publaw.com/work.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>

"Also, what about the possibility of using a photo, crediting it, and
being prepared to remove if necessary?"

As with all laws, it's what you do *before* you're discovered that
counts, not after. If you rob a store and get caught, putting the
merchandise back does not let you off the hook.

That said, there are two important issues to consider. 1) In order for
the copyright holder to sue, he/she must have registered the photo,
and 2) the copyright holder must have a tangible copy of the photo in
order to register it.

"In order to sue an infringer the copyright holder must register the
photo.[7] In order to register the photo, the photographer must
possess the photo. Traditionally this is not a problem because the
photographer would have a negative, or a print or a slide or some
tangible object as a photo. If the photographer has scanned the photo
onto a home page or provided the photo to a gallery then there would
be no problem if the photographer retains the original. See Philip
Greenspun's FAQ on photo scanning. Similarly a CD disk photo would
also be tangible to register. However when a photographer uses a
filmless camera this projects images directly onto a computer for
real-time adjustment.[8] If a photographer were to upload this kind of
photo, some tangible print would still be required for
registration.[9]"
http://www.gsu.edu/~lawppw/lawand.papers/KB4.html

FAIR USE: The law:

Chapter 1: An Overview of Copyright: II.I. Fair Use:
"Probably one of the most misunderstood concepts in copyright law is
fair use. This is a doctrine that provides a defense to copyright
infringement for some acts. But determination of whether or not
something is a fair use is fact-intensive. No particular act is
automatically fair use, and all four factors listed in Section 107
must be considered:
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use
of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or
phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for
purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching
(including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or
research, is not an infringement of copyright."
http://digital-law-online.info/lpdi1.0/treatise13.html

NWU Guide to Fair Use:
" The common law called for fair use defenses to be decided on a
case-by-case basis. Today, section 107 of the U.S. Copyright Act
requires courts to evaluate four factors in determining fair use. They
are:
1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is
of a commercial nature or is for non-profit educational purposes;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to
the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the
copyrighted work."
http://www.nwu.org/docs/fairuse.htm

FAIR USE NOTICE:

"This site contains some copyrighted materials, the use of which has
not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are
making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding
of political, human rights, economic, democracy, and social justice
issues. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such
copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US
Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the
material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have
expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for
research and educational purposes.
If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of
your own that go beyond 'fair use,' you must obtain permission from
the copyright owner."
http://www.honestreporting.com/a/About_us.asp
 
"This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not
always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are
making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding
of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy,
scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this
constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided
for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title
17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed
without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included information for research and educational
purposes.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0507-02.htm

>>>>>>>>>>

Key Court Case Summaries on Fair Use:
"Conclusion: Scanning an image in order to copy creative elements and
insert them into a new work is not fair use."
http://www.copyright.iupui.edu/FUsummaries.htm

>>>>>>>>>>

What People are Saying About it:

Fair Use for photos on the web and in blogs: a modest proposal to
avoid a major battle:
"No attorney can tell you for certain if it legal to use someone
else?s photo or text?it is a judgment call based on a number of
factors like how much of the original you use and if the use of that
original content damages the authors ability to make money."
"As a group we need to set a standard when using other people?s
photos. Perhaps we should all agree that we won?t use more then 50% of
the original photo, cropping out the rest. Nick does this on Fleshbot
all the time. Now, granted it is because of the design and to keep the
site more ?work friendly,? but I think he is on to a model of fair use
for bloggers. Also, we could agree that no photo will be over 300x300
pixels and that any time you use an image you should link back to the
source (we do this already, as almost everyone does)."
http://calacanis.weblogsinc.com/entry/8042716626204694/

cropping would be a pain in the arse:
"I don't mind when people repost my images as long as they link to the
original post as attribution."
http://calacanis.weblogsinc.com/entry/8042716626204694/#c5225

Ask before you use a photo:
"Just mail any photographer b e f o r e you are going to use his/her
images on your website. In 95% youŽll get the permission simply
because it is a strong advertisement for their work and secondly a
positive acknowledgment for their work.
But this will of course only work if you link back to his/her website
and write some sentences about them and their work.
This will not work if the photo is considered to be only some ephmeral
kind of illustration delivering nice colors etc. for a website.
And forget about cropping or resizing photos. YouŽre either pregnant
or not. Any professional photographer will talk to his lawyer if you
are using his/her photos without asking. Stealing pictures for the web
is a alltime long running topic for professional photographers."
http://calacanis.weblogsinc.com/entry/8042716626204694/#c5227

I drove that Porsche Boxster for two days, but frankly, I didnŽt want
to use it, I just wanted to make advertisement for Porsche:
There are mainly three major sources for finding images (besides
Google Image Search):
-amateur: he might be highly delighted finding his image with his name
on a website/blog if someone tells him
-professionals: two possibilities. If he is represented by a photo
agency (a), the answer is NO (see below). If he is working without an
agency representing him, I guess at least 80% will say NO because
otherwise they would lose the control where in the world millions of
weblogs are showing their images. Losing control about what is
happening with your work is like a future going-out-of-business.
-photo agencies and portals: they will, under no circumstances, allow
you to show the images of their photographers or foreign partner
agencies on your website/blog. Just keep in your mind that other
customers might have payed for the usage of that specific image.
Imagine that had been you. Imagine, you would have payed a high price
for exclusive usage; now you find yourself in a situation where
somebody else, just for the fun of it, shows that pix in the WWW... ."
http://calacanis.weblogsinc.com/entry/8042716626204694/#c5242

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I hope I've been able to address your concerns - please let me know if
you have any other questions.

Regards,
hummer
dashman-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $10.00
Ok, hummer, thanks!

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Subject: Re: rights for using photos/images from the WWW
From: hummer-ga on 08 Jun 2004 15:43 PDT
 
Thank you, dashman, for your thank you and nice tip - I appreciate it.
Sincerely, hummer

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