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Subject:
Business Licenses
Category: Business and Money > Small Businesses Asked by: erast00-ga List Price: $50.00 |
Posted:
13 Jun 2004 12:12 PDT
Expires: 15 Jun 2004 11:05 PDT Question ID: 360442 |
I'm starting a business where I will be reselling party supplies for children's birthdays. I will be buying merchandise from party stores, websites, etc and putting the stuff into themed kits. Kits include generic themes like butterflies or pool parties and specific themes like Dora the Explorer and Sesame Street. I know that I will need a business license to sell merchandise from companies like Sesame Workshop (PBS), Nickolodeon (Viacom) and Disney. I can't find information on how to do this. I need to know who to contact, what will make my company appealing and one in which they would provide a license, how much license cost, etc. I've looked at all the websites and can't find contact information or licensing information. Also, I know I can go through a lawyer but would like to not have to if possible. Since I can't start selling I'm currently not making any money so please take that into consideration. My company is at a stand-still until I can figure this out. Help!!! | |
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Subject:
Re: Business Licenses
From: ipfan-ga on 14 Jun 2004 09:00 PDT |
Hi, Why is it you believe you need a business license to sell this themed merchandise? I ask only because it may help someone develop a more complete answer if they knew form whence that belief originated. I am curious also because under US trademark law, you?re free to resell products featuring third-party trademarks without a license from the trademark owner. In other words, if you lawfully obtain authorized Nickelodeon, etc., merchandise, you are free to package or bundle all the items together and resell them using some or all of the marks featured in the bundle. The classic example is a used car dealership--they are clearly not an authorized Ford dealer, but they buy and sell Ford cars all the time, using the "Ford" trademark in their advertising. |
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Re: Business Licenses
From: ipfan-ga on 14 Jun 2004 09:15 PDT |
Hi again--one of the leading US cases, Sebastian International v. Longs Drugs, is very helpful. There's a good summary at http://www.ladas.com/BULLETINS/1995/1195Bulletin/US_FirstsaleCollectMark.html. |
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Re: Business Licenses
From: erast00-ga on 14 Jun 2004 11:37 PDT |
Is this true? I was under the impression that the exact opposite is the case. Believe me, if you are correct I will be the happiest person in the world! First of all, why do you think this? Second, you said if I lawfully obtain authorized merchandise: does it count just buying it from a store or do I need the stores approval? I've asked so many people, including a business lawyer, and I've been told by everyone that I absolutely need a license to sell trademarked merchandise. It even says on their websites "nothing on this site may be copied, reproduced, republished, uploaded, posted, transmitted, or distributed in any way without writeen consent." Curious where your information is coming from and why you think that... |
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Re: Business Licenses
From: ipfan-ga on 14 Jun 2004 16:09 PDT |
Well, it's a settled legal principle called the trademark first sale doctrine. There are analogous principles in both copyright and patent law. The doctrine holds that if you lawfully obtain a trademarked article, you are free to resell it without a trademark license because the trademark owner?s right to control sale of the marked items is cut off at the first sale level, i.e., the person from whom you bought the article. So yes, if you buy them in a recognized store from reputable sources (such that you would have no reasons to believe they are pirated or counterfeit), the trademark owner?s rights to control the sale of the marked items is cut off and you can resell them, using the marks, without a license. An exception occurs if you are using the marked items in such a way that your buyers would think that there is an affiliation or sponsorship between the trademark owner, e.g., Nickelodeon, and you. So you could not bundle the items and say on the packaging, "This fun bundle is brought to you by Nickelodeon and erast00!" But you can say, "This fund bundle contains Nickelodeon (R) Slime." The doctrine is also called "exhaustion." See the discussion on trademark exhaustion at http://www.iusmentis.com/trademarks/crashcourse/limitations/. |
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Re: Business Licenses
From: ipfan-ga on 14 Jun 2004 16:19 PDT |
<<It even says on their websites "nothing on this site may be copied, reproduced, republished, uploaded, posted, transmitted, or distributed in any way without written consent.">> I am sure that ~is~ what it says on their web sites. But downloading an image or a jpeg or a logo from a website is very different from buying an article from an authorized source and reselling it. If you were to download the Nickelodeon logo off their site and reproduce it on t-shirts and sell them at a flea market, that would be obvious trademark infringement. But you're not doing that, so as long as you stick to the facts as discussed in this thread, I am not sure I can see why you'd need a license. Why did the business lawyer say you did need a license? Perhaps you should ask the lawyer to review Sebastian International v. Longs Drug Stores, 53 F.3d 1073 (9th Cir. 1995) (he or she will be able to retrieve it using that "citation" after the case name.) |
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Re: Business Licenses
From: ipfan-ga on 15 Jun 2004 08:59 PDT |
Dear erast00, I am not a Researcher, so perhaps you are watiing for a final answer from kriswrite or another Researcher. But in reference to your 14 Jun 2004 18:18 PDT Clarification in which you say, "It is my understanding that it is not legal to do that without Sesame Workshop's written permission. I need to know if that is true and if it is how do I become a viable candidate for such a license," I am fairly confident my June 14 comments, all of which were posted prior to your 4 Jun 2004 18:18 PDT clarification, accurately recite current US law on the subject. As you know, Google Answers is not a forum for formal legal advice, and so I would encourage you to now go and validate my comments with your trademark attorney. Best of luck with your project, ipfan |
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