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Subject: Colza oil vs. Canola oil
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: firebreather-ga
List Price: $5.00
Posted: 03 Jul 2002 00:52 PDT
Expires: 02 Aug 2002 00:52 PDT
Question ID: 36141
I posted a question about Colza Oil and where to buy it over the
internet for its flamable properties not too long ago (june 21). The
answer stated that Canola Oil could be used instead of Colza Oil as
cleaner burning lamp oil. I am a firebreather of sorts and wish to
find a safer alternative to parafin (lamp oil). My friend tried some
colza oil abroad where he said it is quite abundant and said with much
enthusiasm that it basically produced the same firebreathing results
as the parafin. He mentioned that the viscosity of the colza was very
similiar to that of the parafin, thin liquid at best. My question is
this, How can I make canola oil the same viscosity as the colza or
parafin? I have tried canola oil with no favorable results. Burnt
popcorn smell on my torch is not what I had in mind. What flammable
(unflammable?) liquid could I mix the canola oil with that would thin
out the canola oil without losing it flammable properties? Do they
make canola oil with the same viscosity as lamp oil (parafin)? Where
could I buy a jug of colza in the states?
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Subject: Re: Colza oil vs. Canola oil
From: alienintelligence-ga on 03 Jul 2002 02:54 PDT
 
I looked for an American one, didn't 
see one: (ask them about thinning it out)
Canola Council of Canada
400 - 167 Lombard Ave.
Winnipeg, MB. R3B 0T6
Ph:(204) 982-2100
Fax:(204) 942-1841

Possible supplier Canola/Colza
They didn't mention quantity:
Parchem Trading Ltd. 
2 William Street, Suite 303
White Plains, NY 10601    

I'd call, but it's long distance
and I'm not getting the cash ;-)

-AI
Subject: Re: Colza oil vs. Canola oil
From: grimace-ga on 03 Jul 2002 05:11 PDT
 
Hi there,

I was the researcher who answered your initial question, and I'm
rather mortified that I seem to have sent you up a blind alley. I
haven't got time to get stuck into this one today, unfortunately, but
I thought posting the URL of the earlier questions might prevent other
researchers repeating information you already have. Here it is:

Where to buy Colza Oil.
https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=31447
Subject: Re: Colza oil vs. Canola oil
From: firebreather-ga on 03 Jul 2002 11:38 PDT
 
I appreciate your posting of the link to the previous question as I
hope it will insight people and maybe clear up some confusion
regarding canola vs colza. Im sorry to hear that you were mortified as
your answer did not lead me down a blind alley. It rather shed some
light on a new question regarding viscosity. The last question in my
statement might have thrown you for a loop but my main emphasis is
viscosity.
Subject: Re: Colza oil vs. Canola oil
From: rogerman-ga on 03 Jul 2002 20:55 PDT
 
Hello there
    A very interesting topic.Since reduction of oil viscosity is
critical to your performance as a fire breather,I think you need to
modify
 the fuel properties to meet the following requirements:1) acceptable
viscosity(acceptable to you)2)Should not affect the flammability
properties and3) should be nontoxic.I do not know if  anything can be
done about the "burnt popcorn taste" (I don't like popcorn myself).
     Starting from Canola oil as raw material are produced methyl and
ethyl esters of the oil also known as bio diesels.
  The viscosity of canola oil at 20deg C is 70(kinematic),against 4-5
(kinematic) for diesel and biodiesel.The cetane numbers
 (the higher the cetane no. the more efficient the fuel)for canola oil
is 40-50,for diesel it is 45 and for biodiesel it is 45-65.
   Biodiesel is nontoxic.May be you need to try biodiesel derived from
Canola oil.the web sites you need to see are
  http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html  and the links.
 www.canolainfo.org/html/whatiscanola.html   
 Good Luck to you
Subject: Re: Colza oil vs. Canola oil
From: timothyl-ga on 03 Jul 2002 21:18 PDT
 
Firebreather--

What fun! I'd love to watch, but I'll keep my distance!

Colza, canola, rapeseed...it's all Brassica Napus oleifera (
http://www.floridata.com/ref/B/bras_nap.cfm ).

You might try reducing the oil by heating it to 160-180 degrees F. I
got this from http://www.grease-works.com/SVO.htm . Okay, know you
don't want it to run your diesel engine, but the principle should be
the same.

Hope this helps a little!
Subject: Found one, I think.
From: alielle-ga on 05 Jul 2002 19:12 PDT
 
And Bingo!  This place sells Colza oil: 
http://www.bewellstaywell.com/new_page_3.htm

Like it says, you need to call in to special order it, but it's there.
:)

This was actually quite fun to search for and I hope that link helps.

Colza is French for rapeseed.  If you look up a brand name of oils
called Emile Noel which is housed in France, you will find references
to a colza oil that they make.  Since I do not know French, their site
is somewhat hard to navigate for me, but if you want their web
address, it is:

http://www.emile-noel.fr/navigationfr.htm

In their "gazette" I found a reference to an olive oil/rapeseed blend,
but I'm not sure how much that will work.  If you want someone to
contact, I believe that the person in charge of exports is Georges
Bois with e-mail gb@emile-noel.fr

He most likely will speak english or have access to someone that can
if you want to get the oil from emile noel.  Here are the exact words
I read in their gazette:

"MELANGE COLZA-OLIVE

C'est l'association de deux huiles reconnues sur le plan santé grâce à
un apport équilibré en acides gras essentiels."

I just ran that through www.babelfish.altavista.com to get this:
"Colza-Olive MIXTURE It is the association of two oils recognized on
the health plan thanks to a contribution balanced in essential fatty
acids. Available in 1/2 L and 1 L. "

Another site I found led to here: 
http://www.germandeli.com/9001466207911.html

I'm not sure if this product is just like the canola oil off the shelf
at the grocery store here, but I'd check with that place to make sure.

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