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White guys who like black guys
Category: Relationships and Society > Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Asked by: namaste2004-ga List Price: $30.00 |
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17 Jun 2004 14:11 PDT
Expires: 17 Jul 2004 14:11 PDT Question ID: 362631 |
I'm a white gay male who's attracted to other white gay males in the 25 to 35 year old range---masculine guys---those who are virtually indistinguishable from straight. I have noticed, as have other people I've talked to, that a large number of guys fitting the profile of those to whom I'm attracted are only attracted to black guys. I'm not talking about a few white guys here and there. I'm talking about a percentage way out of proportion to usual dating preferences. Let's say on the order of a third of the masculine guys I'm attracted to prefer black guys. Some theories I've heard from other people who have made the same observation, are that they like black guys because they remind them of entertainment or sports celebrities, or they're attracted to them for anatomical reasons. I don't buy either. I think it goes much deeper, but it's a mystery to me. Any clues? By the way, I do live in a city that has a large black population, but we also have a huge white gay population, too. |
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Re: White guys who like black guys
From: apteryx-ga on 17 Jun 2004 23:31 PDT |
Opposites attract? Apteryx (not a researcher) |
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Re: White guys who like black guys
From: apteryx-ga on 19 Jun 2004 22:28 PDT |
namaste2004, I'm a little surprised that no one else has responded to this interesting question. I just wanted to add that my earlier comment, though simple, was not meant to be flippant. I have thought about this phenomenon too (quite dispassionately, being a straight woman), because I have noticed a lot of mixed gay couples such as you describe. There are also a lot of white/Asian couples. I have hypothesized that the racial difference might create an appealing sense of "otherness" that occurs naturally in a hetero relationship but, for some, might seem to be missing in a same-sex relationship. In a way I guess I thought it might be a substitute for the opposite-sex effect. Granted that some gay people are not looking for that much difference, I thought some others might be. So it was a serious suggstion, and I'd be interested to know what you think of it. Apteryx (not a researcher) |
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Re: White guys who like black guys
From: namaste2004-ga on 21 Jun 2004 06:35 PDT |
Lacking any other explanation, it sounds reasonable enough to me. But I'm wondering if there's more to it. Thanks for your replies. Namaste2004 |
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Re: White guys who like black guys
From: mstenger-ga on 27 Jun 2004 23:00 PDT |
It seems to me that the race(s) one is attracted to are generally consistent with those one is familiar with, particularly those one was raised among. Those living or raised in diverse areas seem to be attracted to diverse races. Those raised in more homogenous areas seem to find the predominant race attractive. |
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Re: White guys who like black guys
From: tastesminty-ga on 19 Jul 2004 07:36 PDT |
namaste2004: It's a good, simple question with a complex answer that varies for each person. I don't the answer is (just) that one is attracted to the familiar - I was raised in a city with a predominantly white populace and I'm a gay white man disproportionately attracted to black, Asian, or Hispanic men. As to why masculine white guys should be attracted to black men: I'd say that black gay men tend to polarize as ultra-masculine or ultra-feminine, as defiant reactions to the homophobia of the African American community (and I know these are generalizations). Supposing that macho white guys are also interested in other macho guys, black men would therefore make a "safer" (less ambiguous) bet. Here's another perspective, from a female, hetrosexual perspective, but relevant nevertheless. From salon.com (Inteview with Rebecca Walker on her anthology, "What Makes a Man: 22 Writers Imagine the Future") Salon: In your intro you call on women to help men reconfigure masculinity. You say, "If we want men to be different we must eroticize that difference." What do you mean? RW:Women say we want these integrated, beautiful, sweet men. Then we run off with the macho guy. All these years of feminism and we're still looking for the knight in shining armor. There's a way in which our impulses haven't caught up with our intellect. What I'm saying is, we know that men are often socialized in their sexuality through pornography. I can eroticize this table if I work hard enough at it. Well, women need to flex that power and begin to eroticize what's truly healthy for us and for our partners. Salon:Nice guys finish last -- but at least they finish. RW:Being turned on by macho guys who aren't good for us has to do with us wanting to be the feminine über-counterpart. I like those guys 'cause I can curl up and be little. I can be pure sensuality. But those extremes only work in the realm of sexuality. Real relationships are much more multidimensional. I want a partner, male or female, who can be the cool tough guy to my damsel in distress and who can also be the damsel in distress to my cool tough guy. I want to have the full range of my humanity in a relationship. I want to experience life fully, not just a sliver of it. That's why I did this book -- because men are being allowed just this tiny part. I was interested in the ones who are breaking out of that paradigm. I'm interested in knowing what's that like for them |
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Re: White guys who like black guys
From: fusion8-ga on 12 Aug 2004 13:56 PDT |
Hi, Again I dont have the answer to this. But I would like to add my comment. To put it bluntly, I grew up in a small town in England with extremely little racial mix. (98% white) When I moved to a city I found myself completely attracted to Feminin Black men. I wouldnt say I was Gay or Bi but have "experimented" and prefered the female gender, On the other hand I find myself attracted to Black men especially, shemales. ??? Why is this ??? any ideas ??? Thanks for reading. Fusion8 |
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Re: White guys who like black guys
From: ando1-ga on 01 Sep 2004 05:53 PDT |
Hi. I'm a gay black guy, not exactly feminine, but definitely feline - or as my aunt used to say, "more bitch in him than me!" Anyway, I've always been attracted to straight white guys, some brothers, too, but mostly white guys. And they're usually attracted to me as well. On one hand it's a role playing, cultural taboo thing: the powerful white male and the oversexed black woman scenario is buried deeply in my subconscious, I'm sure (Donna Summer, Diana Ross, RuPaul, not to mention Jessye Norman, Kathleen Battle and a host of other goddess-like black women are total role models). Also, I grew up with very dominating black women in my household, all of whom had a tremendous influence on my psyche (positive and well as negative). But it's primarily "a role" or loose archetype. Sex and mutual attraction based on these roles is not very fulfilling, but it's fun. I think facade and a real union between two people (regardless of gender or race) are completely different universes. Ando1 |
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Re: White guys who like black guys
From: cizzrhandz-ga on 26 Sep 2004 22:27 PDT |
I am a latino/white male who is attracted to black men. I do not feel that the reason a lot of white men are attracted to black men is due to the fact that they were raised around black men, nor do I feel it is due to the fact that they think of them as symbols of sports stars or anything of the sort. I can not speak for all, but me personally I am attracted to black men because that is just what I am attracted to. It is no different than someone being attracted to blond hair and blue eyed guys. It is just ones personal preference. Look at it this way....Do gays know why they are attracted to the same sex? The answer is no, it just feels natural to be attracted to the same sex. The same can be said for the question at hand...It just feels natural!!! |
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Re: White guys who like black guys
From: is3longhornj-ga on 03 Nov 2004 23:56 PST |
Before I can even answer this question, I need to be able to verify that it's even a valid one. I was personally was unaware of this phenomenon and thought that most white guys did not like black guys, and vice versa. I feel I can make that generalization based on the fact that many online dating sites feature black and white men that show disinterest in one another. In addition, I have heard countless stories of minority men feeling ignored at predominately white gay bars and establishments. I am black, and identify as bi--I do notice though, that it does seem as though most of the "attention" I get is from either white guys or black girls. But I thought this was due to the fact that I do not look like most black guys and have different interests. I'd have to disagree with everyone here, though, that this is some kind of wide-spread phenomenon--I'm sure you're just interacting with a very small percentage of white men who do prefer black men, and therefore feel it is a common occurance. From an evolutionary standpoint, people are attracted to those like themselves--not those different from them, so this argument seems invalid to me. |
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Re: White guys who like black guys
From: mike44nh-ga on 16 Nov 2004 10:22 PST |
I'm a gay white male who is attracted to men of all ethnicities (even caucasians now and then). ;-) I find my true attractions, however, gravitate toward blacks and latinos (my boyfriend is Latino). For me the attraction starts with the skin color - I'm a very pale, red-headed, blue-eyed man so perhaps that's the issue for me, who knows. But I love the darker skin color while my Latino bf loves the light skin color of Caucasian men. Just my 2 cents. Mike |
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Re: White guys who like black guys
From: paaul-ga on 16 Nov 2004 11:34 PST |
My love of Black men moves closer to "home." As a young boy, I had a very estranged father. We could be together for hours or, ride 100 miles, together and not a word be spoken. My uncle in Maryland, ran a road building business and had many black men working for him. One was always, there. Howard. During the summer months, I would ride with him and experience, the Wonder of the Black Soul. We talked, we laughed. He was always interested in what I had done in school, girls, etc.And, we laughed. How refreshing that was. Always a smile, always a hug. As a young white boy, 10, 11, 12yrs old, I BONDED with a black man: not, my own father. That experience was over 50 yrs. ago, and I will love, honor & respect the Black Race till the day that I die. The Goodness, Graciousness, Warmeth, Integrity, Humor, and Love of these people is boundless. Being a gay man, I had always wanted a Black partner. The desire is found in contrasts. Contrasts in thinking, communications, physical being, attitude, humor and so, much more. Physical & emotional contrasts are the key. Hopefully, I will find a Brotha who is willing to share his life with graciousness and love. No, I have, never, related to a Brotha as someone representing the entertainment or athletic fields. Although, being a big fan of Professional Football, I have had some. . . .fantasies. (But, we won't speak of that!) |
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Re: White guys who like black guys
From: zodiac27-ga on 18 Nov 2004 09:41 PST |
As a black gay male, when I first read your question, I was somewhat offended. It sounded so "scientific" and unbelievable that white gay men can be "naturally" attracted to someone other than themselves, especially black men. Like it was something in the water that made white gay men suddenly find men of color appealing (beyond sex). Beyond all the stereotypes and historical-sexual hype just maybe its no experiment at all but human nature - they clicked. Can it be just that simple? I read your question again and realized that you deserve a honest answer, so please allow me to add my two cents. Theres nothing profound or earth shattering I can add. I dont think there needs to be any deep studies on why black men/white men date or how they found some common ground outside of the bedroom. I hate to sound simple but things are changing in the world and slowly we are becoming more inclusive as a group. The old labels just don't fit anymore- race mixing (whether for gay or straight) use to be taboo. Now, everywhere you look it's in your face. Black men are sometimes viewed as ultra-masculine also. Another sterotype which is often played out to the bitter end (by both black and white alike). It can be extremely attractive and seductive (as someone else mentioned) but can also be an obstacle as well. Meaning once you have built something /one up its hard for them to be anything else. There is a strength that I find that most white men like about black men - a certain in-your-face-, unapologetic, bold demeanor that sets us apart. There are a million of reasons why I think you are seeing so many interracial gay couples. Now it just may not be your preference and for some it just "how it goes". I apologize for acting on emotion when I first responded, it's hard to explain but I have been a pawn in a lot of "experimentors games". So its nice to see these relationships thrive (beyond the bedroom). Now I realize I didnt say much but I invite further questions/comments on this issue. I hope to her from you soon. |
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Re: White guys who like black guys
From: tarporley-ga on 04 Jan 2005 18:27 PST |
I live in the Gay capital of America, San Francisco, and I can tell you that there are many people who are attracted to people of other racial backgrounds. Though I have met people who do not date of their race, I have found that it is mainly due to the chemicals in your body and your past experiences that determine your preference. I partly agree with mstenger-ga, that if you are around a diverse culture, that you start to date out of your race. You are influenced mostly by those who raised you and the media. If you have dreams of being with black guys, then you probably have seen some sexy black guys onscreen. Mmmm, DMX.... I am a straight white female and I have found that after watching a good Jet Li movie, I start to see all of the Asian guys around me. Good thing I live near China town.... |
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Re: White guys who like black guys
From: plazone-ga on 09 Jan 2005 08:35 PST |
Hmmm.....why even ponder the reason why. I am a Black man who likes white men. I say so what. Instead of wasting time trying to examine why peoples preferences are what they are, a more meaningful conversation would be of how to make these relationships last and the challenges these couples face. I say wasting time because it's like discussing why to guys like blondes, or some people prefer someone older, or hairy or smooth--it just is what it is. there doesn't have to be some deep meaning behind a particular person's attracted to another person. Sometimes it just is. It's rather comical to me that you always hear peope discussing why the white person is with the black person, and it often comes down to some facination with endowment or some animalistic quality (what a joke). Does anyone ever think about the opposite--why is that black peroson with the white. Often times that comes to--he's with him/her for their money. What a shame. Let's just say we like what we like and if both parties like each other--what a beautiful thing |
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