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Subject: Army Enlistment Time in service in regards to Delayed Entry
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: gog_man-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 22 Jun 2004 09:57 PDT
Expires: 22 Jul 2004 09:57 PDT
Question ID: 364578
I joined the DEP, Delayed Entry Program for the Army, about 8 months
before leaving for training. I have been in for a year now. My
question... I have heard that some soldier used the time in DEP to go
towards their time in service, since they did drills, ect., during
that time. That time would be valuable to add to my time in service.
When I enlisted they gave me a new contract with a new date. So im
wondering if I can have my current enlistment changed to reflect my
time in DEP. Thanks
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Subject: Re: Army Enlistment Time in service in regards to Delayed Entry
Answered By: tutuzdad-ga on 22 Jun 2004 12:03 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Dear gog_man-ga;

Thank you for allowing me to answer your interesting question. Let me
see if I can explain this somewhat complicated answer. Being in the
military you are undoubtedly well acquainted with many of these terms,
and while others may find this explanation a bit confounding you will
more than likely be able to make fine sense of it.

The maximum time you can spend on the Delayed Entry Program (sometimes
called ?Delayed Enlistment Program?) (DEP) is 365 days.

In most cases military enlistments are for a period of eight years no
matter how long you sign up for. How many of those years you spend on
active duty is a matter of your individual contract. Some people spend
2, 3, 4, 6 or all 8 years of this enlistment as an active duty member
of the military. Those who spend less than eight years on active duty
are required to spend the remaining portion of the obligation in the
Inactive Reserves (you don?t report or get paid during this period,
and you can be recalled to active duty if needed).

The time you spend in the DEP is subtracted from your INACTIVE RESERVE
OBLIGATION ONLY and has no impact on your active reserve status
whatsoever. So, for example, if you enlisted in the Army today for 4
years, and participated in the DEP Program for one year prior to
departing for boot camp, you would be obligated to spend 4 years on
active duty and 3 years on Inactive Reserve.  Some DEP Programs offer
pre-training courses (sometimes called ?Delayed Training Programs?,
see see USAREC Reg 601-95 below) prior to your departure to help you
stay motivated about your decision, acclimate you to military life and
familiarize you with military customs, traditions, and procedures so
you won?t be totally in the dark when you arrive for basic training.
In exchange for your participation in these programs, some DEP
Programs even offer advance promotions to those who successfully
complete the introductory courses. This way you can arrive at your
first assignment one, or perhaps even two ranks higher than you would
otherwise be without the training. Since your rank cannot logically
take affect until you are officially inducted, your time in DEP counts
toward neither TIME IN GRADE nor TIME IN SERVICE. However, because it
was a contractual inactive obligation, it is retroactively applied to
the end of your Inactive Reserve obligation at the time of your
discharge.

So, in short, the active duty oath releases you from your DEP contract
and commits you to serve on active duty for your term of enlistment,
however long that may be. Any previous time in the DEP counts toward
your military service obligation of eight years combined - active duty
enlistment plus inactive reserve - as required by Title 10 United
States Code, Section 651.

?Each person who becomes a member of an armed force, other than a
person deferred under the next to the last sentence of section 6(d)(1)
of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 456(d)(1)) shall
serve in the armed forces for a total initial period of not less than
six years nor more than eight years, as provided in regulations
prescribed by the Secretary of Defense for the armed forces under his
jurisdiction and by the Secretary of Homeland Security for the Coast
Guard when it is not operating as service in the Navy, unless such
person is sooner discharged under such regulations because of personal
hardship. Any part of such service that is not active duty or that is
active duty for training shall be performed in a reserve component.?
UNITED STATES CODE: TITLE 10, Subtitle A, PART II, CHAPTER 37, Sec. 651.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/htm_hl?DB=uscode10&STEMMER=en&WORDS=651+&COLOUR=Red&STYLE=s&URL=/uscode/10/651.html#muscat_highlighter_first_match

This may differ somewhat for the purposes of determining DIEMS (Date
of Initial Entry to Military Service) for retirement purposes. DIEMS
is determined by the date an individual first entered into military
service, or first entered into a contract or assumed an obligation to
enter military service. For many people, their DIEMS is the same as
the day of enlistment or initial commissioning but for those who
entered military service through the Delayed Entry Program, their Date
of Initial Entry to Military Service, for retirement purposes, can be
considered the date they FIRST signed a contractual obligation (the
date that they entered DEP). (See THE REDUX RETIREMENT OPTION below).

As for having your current enlistment changed to reflect your time in
DEP, I assure you that this has already been recorded in your
personnel file. While your DOE (date of enlistment), or the date you
got on the bus on your way to boot camp, is officially your beginning
point for time in ACTIVE service, your DIEMS (Date of Initial Entry to
Military Service) is the date that you signed up for DEP. In other
words, your DOE is the date used on your active military file and your
DIEMS date will not become an issue until you enter into the Inactive
Reserve or apply for retirement.

I hope you find that my research exceeds your expectations. If you
have any questions about my research please post a clarification
request prior to rating the answer. Otherwise I welcome your rating
and your final comments and I look forward to working with you again
in the near future. Thank you for bringing your question to us.

Best regards;
Tutuzdad-ga ? Google Answers Researcher



INFORMATION SOURCES

UNITED STATES CODE: TITLE 10, Subtitle A, PART II, CHAPTER 37, Sec. 651.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/htm_hl?DB=uscode10&STEMMER=en&WORDS=651+&COLOUR=Red&STYLE=s&URL=/uscode/10/651.html#muscat_highlighter_first_match


THE REDUX RETIREMENT OPTION
http://www.firstcommand.com/home/whats_new/wn_redux.html

USAREC Reg 601-95
http://www.armydep.com/downloads/U1245.pdf



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