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Subject:
Value of Testimonials
Category: Science Asked by: jat-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
24 Jun 2004 14:56 PDT
Expires: 24 Jul 2004 14:56 PDT Question ID: 365818 |
I'd like to put together something on the value of testimonials/"anecdotal evidence". I realize testimonials are not the same as the recently-developed "Scientific Method", but they still have value and I want help in establishing that fact. Here's a quote from Tufts Dr. Louis Lasagna to help get you going: ?Modern trial techniques [were not] necessary to recognize the therapeutic potential of chloral hydrate, the barbiturates, ether, nitrous oxide, chloroform, curare, aspirin, quinine, insulin, epinephrine, local anesthetics, belladonna, antacids, sulfonamides, and penicillin, to give a partial list.? Anything which also shows the weakness of "controlled clinical trials", etc. would be welcome. Thanks... |
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Subject:
Re: Value of Testimonials
From: dr_bob-ga on 24 Jun 2004 16:36 PDT |
Hmm.... this is an interesting question in that it hits at what could be called the double edged sword that we have with our governmental rules...eg the FDA. 1.) I'm not going to dig up references for you, I'm just going to clarify the issue. I don't get paid...i just do this for fun... So... here's kind of the scoop. Suppose you want to develop a drug and feed it to people. The rules are generally pretty simple here. 1.) you gotta prove it works and doesn't hurt anybody. 2.) you gotta prove it's better than currently available therapy. Now... how would you *prove* anything with anectdotal evidence? eg. If I asked a bunch of cancer suffers whether they though a drug was working... chances are that a lot of them would say it was.... even if it wasn't. why? because they don't want to die. However, if I measure how long they live... I KNOW whether or not the drug they were taking worked. The downside of this is.... If I'm not looking hard enough, I might miss something, and the rules are so messed up that it might cost me a boatload of money to find something interesting. For instance: I test a cancer drug in 10,000 people. 100% of the blond haired 200lb, people who eat philly cheesesteaks on thursdays get better. All 20 of them. However, on the whole, my drug wasn't any better than what was on the market even though approved drugs killed the every blond haired 200lb guy who ate philly cheese steaks on thursdays... So, if anectdotal evidence was all that one needed to sell a drug... people could put what they wanted to in their bodies and see what worked. Some of them would die because they took arsenic(see middle ages).... Some of them would keep trying stuff till they found out what worked...(depending on how much crap there was to try it might take them a while.)... So... it's not such a simple thing to find drugs.... Sometimes doctors screw up.using anectdotal evidence(see phen fen), sometimes they find stuff that's good(see nitroglycerin ointment for smooth muscle fissure). See off label prescribing..... Chugs, |
Subject:
Re: Value of Testimonials
From: drebe-ga on 29 Jun 2004 11:28 PDT |
The main reason that anecdotal evidence is not satisfactory is because we have no idea how many negative examples there are. Someone loses weight a lot of weight after taking the latest herbal pill. The provide anecdotal evidence of their success. We never hear about the n, where n is large, number of people who took the pill and gained weight. Outcomes, regarless of field (biology, chemistry, psychology, etc.) tend to be multiply determined. Many different causes and processes affect the outcome. In addition, many of these causes combine in non-additive ways. As a result, we would expect to find some successful or positive outcomes by chance. Anecdotal evidence, because it is presented after the fact, cannot tell us what the odds are of various combinations of causes coming together to produce useful outcomes in the future. Unfortunately, the only way we know how to assess these odds is with randomized trials. People gain and lose weight, people get sick and become healthy, fires start, etc. etc. as a result of unpredictable events all of the time. By chance we would expect these to coincide with the presence of some cause of interest, e.g., a new pill, therapy, design change, etc. The only way to use anecdotal evidence is if one collects evidence about failures as well as successes and then one is doing correlational reseach and not relying on a few anecdotes. |
Subject:
Re: Value of Testimonials
From: bibi-ga on 02 Jul 2004 06:52 PDT |
Hi Some thoughts on anecdotal evidence and clinical trials. The value of anecdotal evidence is typically in generating new hypotheses that will need to be tested. That is by far the only benefit they can offer. If you are looking for problems with clinical trials, you can start with publication bias and keep going with all the other potential biases described in the literature. http://www.bmjpg.com/rct/chapter3.html Good luck! bibi |
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