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Subject:
Circuit board design
Category: Science > Technology Asked by: maximillion-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
04 Jul 2004 22:42 PDT
Expires: 17 Aug 2004 15:46 PDT Question ID: 369767 |
I have a requirement for a timer circuit that can be mass-produced cheaply with the following functionality: ? Adjustable ?off? period from approximately 15 minutes to approximately 6 hours ? Adjustable ?on? period from approximately 30 seconds to 5 minutes ? The adjustments ideally would be via a potentiometer ? Input voltage min 6V, max 12V DC The circuit should be capable of driving a relay that will switch power to a solenoid off and on. I purchased a kit based on the 555 chip that promised adjustable times via potentiometers. I built the kit, and it does work but the times are too short ? only a few seconds off and on, with a few seconds in between. The circuit diagram that I used can be found at http://bardos.com.au/electronics/circuit%20board.jpg My question is whether the components of this circuit-board can be substituted to give me the adjustable off and on times that I am seeking? I can build these simple circuit-boards but do not have the theoretical background to perform the calculations on resistance etc. |
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Re: Circuit board design
From: crythias-ga on 05 Jul 2004 01:03 PDT |
403 Access forbidden on your circuit diagram, btw... http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/gadgets/555/555.html has a nice tutorial, including talking about the Monostable mode... nearly halfway down the page... In the VERY simple 9a diagram, it indicates that T = 1.1 x R x C (in seconds) Your methods and results may vary. |
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Re: Circuit board design
From: bloodred-ga on 05 Jul 2004 22:52 PDT |
Try using 1 MOhm or 2 MOhm potentiometers instead of the 200 kOhm ones. This will give you a wider range of values to adjust the speed of the 555 timer. |
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Re: Circuit board design
From: veepee-ga on 06 Jul 2004 19:44 PDT |
There would be an accurate, but costly solution which would involve a counting circuitry, rotary switches, and a piezoelectrical crystal, but I don't think it'd be adapted to your needs . I don't seem to remember how to calculate an astable 555 with two potentiometers like in your case . The way I'd do it is with 2 LM555s or a LM556 chip (which is basically two 555s, but is less costly than two 555s) . One 555 would be the astable, and you could adjust that one with a potentiometer for the OFF time . After the OFF time, it would give a really short pulse to trigger the other 555 which would be driven in monostable mode . This one would also have a potentiometer to control its length, and this would be the one controlling the relay . If someone knows how to get the right result with only one 555, please post the calculations ; that diagram is confusing me for some reason . |
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Re: Circuit board design
From: maximillion-ga on 06 Jul 2004 20:25 PDT |
Many thanks for comments so far - the issue with using multiple processors is one of per-unit cost. I've purchased a couple of one and two Ohm pots and will post the impact on times in the next day or so. If it fails, I'll try the twin processor idea. |
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Re: Circuit board design
From: maximillion-ga on 06 Jul 2004 20:42 PDT |
According to the tutorial posted in the first comment, if T (seconds) = R x C then using a 2 MOhm pot would require a capacitor of 11,000 micro-farads to give a range of 900 to 22000 seconds (~ 15 minutes to 6 hours). Is that correct, and is a capacitor with that rating actually available? |
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Re: Circuit board design
From: veepee-ga on 06 Jul 2004 21:32 PDT |
Seems correct . However, you'd have to settle with normalized values for your components, multiples of 1,0 or 1,5 ; that is, 10,000 micro-F capacitor instead of 11,000 . A 10,000 micro-F capacitor is a pretty big one, though . I'd suggest going with two 5,000uF [micro-farads] . If you want accuracy, you can add a 1,000uF . Better accuracy, but adds to the bill as well . Keep us updated on how it goes . Are you using LEDs to test the functioning ? By the way, if you do get your hands on big capacitors, be careful of polarities (+,-) . These little buggers tend to jump to your face if you plug them wrong . |
Subject:
Re: Circuit board design
From: neilzero-ga on 07 Jul 2004 12:05 PDT |
In theory you can buy 100,000,000 ohm potentiometers = 100 meg ohms, which will extend the on and off time some, perhaps much, using capacitors of a few thousand MFD. 22 meg ohm fixed resistors are readily available, 1/10 th watt or more. In series with the potentiometers the timing range will be tiny, but it will make a good test for repeatability. The very high resistance may make the repeatability poor, but it is worth a try, if you can find the very high resistance potentiometers at a reasonable cost. A 2 watt rating for the potentiometer and a 12 volt rating for the capacitor should be enough. Applying 12 volts dc to your capacitors for a day or two may reduce the leakage of the capacitors. The leakage becomes important with very high resistance. Neil |
Subject:
Re: Circuit board design
From: maximillion-ga on 23 Jul 2004 17:41 PDT |
Got it working with all the assistance! Final answer was a 33uf Cap and 4mOhm pot for the 'on' time, which gave me 1sec to 1 min. For the 'wait' time, two 2200uf Caps in parallel with 4mOhm pot which gave 2 min to 3 hours. Used a 2.7k resistor over the 12v with a dual color LED - green for power, red for 'on'. Many thanks! |
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