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Subject:
Avoiding fluoride skin absorption by WH reverse osmosis water treatment?
Category: Health Asked by: cfletcherb-ga List Price: $25.00 |
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06 Jul 2002 08:28 PDT
Expires: 05 Aug 2002 08:28 PDT Question ID: 37038 |
I am moving to a house with fluoridated city-water. I think reverse osmosis is my best option for removing it. I need to verify whether human skin does absorb fluoride from the water in baths and showers. I saw one source that claimed that fluoride used to be added to baths in the 1920's? to cool down overactive thyroid conditions. If it is absorbed, then a simple, low-volume, under-counter reverse osmosis system, for cooking and drinking water system will only handle part of the problem. Whole house RO systems are very spendy. Do I have other options? (I know that the term "fluoride" is not scientifically precise, but it is enough to identify the stuff municipal water providers add to domestic water supplies.) |
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Re: Avoiding fluoride skin absorption by WH reverse osmosis water treatment?
Answered By: leli-ga on 06 Jul 2002 11:34 PDT Rated: |
Hello Thanks for the interesting question. There is plenty of thought-provoking information on the net about whether fluoride can be absorbed through the skin. A lot of it is linked to an investigative journalist called George Glasser, an American who publishes in Europe as well as at home. His main points are these: Above all there is a lack of evidence due to a lack of research done in this area. But his opinion is clearly that fluoride is scary stuff, especially in the form in which it is commonly added to city water supplies. The EPA has described how many chemicals are taken in through the skin (dermal absorption) but it has never done any studies of this in relation to fluoride. Nor has the US Public Health Service. Nevertheless, the EPA's own reports state that children may be particularly at risk of absorbing chemicals from bath water because of a greater surface area to body weight area than adults, the greater vulnerability of their developing physiology and because of their enjoyment of long bath/play sessions. There are other research projects which have highlighted how easy it is to absorb toxins through the skin (though not specifically fluoride.) Glasser cites a study done in the 1980s which suggests 64% of waterborne contaminants are taken in through the skin. He also describes research at the University of Pittsburgh showing more chemical exposure from showering in, than from drinking contaminated water. (Though again there is no specific reference to fluoride.) You can pursue thezse points at: http://www.npwa.freeserve.co.uk/vulnerable.htm There is an article Glasser published in The Ecologist at: http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=170&category=92 Other sites suggesting you should be concerned are at: http://www.wholly-water.com/d.cgi/BO90/Fluoride.htm http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Environment/Bathtub_Toxic_Dump.html http://www.greenparty.org.uk/reports/2000/fluoride/yorkassessment.htm But you should be aware there is no widespread support for the idea that dermal absorption of fluoride is a serious risk. Find huge amounts of general information on fluoride and its problems at: http://www.fluoridealert.org/fluoridation.htm So, if you want to avoid bathing in water with fluoride in, what can you do? Your question suggests you have already looked into this and discovered reverse osmosis - a process that can remove 85-90% of fluoride. There doesn't seem to be anything betwen a large under-sink RO apparatus capable of purifying up to 75 gallons a day or the horrifyingly expensive whole-house systems. ($8000 or so.) Examples of these are at: http://www.raindancewatersystems.com/whole-house-reverse-osmosis.html http://www.raindancewatersystems.com/reverseosmosis.html If you do decide to purchase, there is plenty of consumer buying advice at: http://directory.google.com/Top/Home/Consumer_Information/Appliances/Water_Filters/ You ask "do I have any other options?" and I fear the answer may be no. I hope you won't find this idea too ecentric - but if you have small children, I wonder if you would consider going back in time to a system of heating water from the sink faucet for their baths? Then you would only need the $500 or less under-sink option if the adults were prepared to risk absorbing some fluoride. Good luck with making a decision on this complex subject. Let me know if I can clarify anything. P.S. You mention a connection between fluoride and thyroid problems. More about this at: http://www.thyroidtears.co.uk/fluorideantagonist.html search strategy terms: fluoride skin dermis absorb "dermal absorption" bath shower "reverse osmosis" treatment domestic residential "whole house" "water purification" |
cfletcherb-ga
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Great answer! I had not yet encountered Glasser's work. I wish there was another, non-RO answer for us, but we have vulnerable young children and we have to do something. One has already had significant damage to his teeth due in part to prescribed fluoride drops (when we had well water). Maybe we'll try catching (and filtering) rain water instead! |
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Re: Avoiding fluoride skin absorption by WH reverse osmosis water treatment?
From: hedgie-ga on 06 Jul 2002 17:23 PDT |
Good answer, but not complete. You do have other options then RO, not nececearly more economical: Each type of filtration system reduces fluoride content: the activated carbon filter (81% reduction), the reverse osmosis system (84% reduction), and the distillation unit (99% reduction) http://216.239.35.100/search?q=cache:yqhXouKR3KMC:www.dhfs.state.wi.us/heal th/Oral_Health/pdf_files/pph4559.pdf+reverse+osmosis+fluoride&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 There are other methods (listed for As, but applicable to F as well): http://www.epa.gov/safewater/ars/treat.html Alumina filters may be least expensive solution: http://www.pwgazette.com/fluorideinwater.htm There are cartriges for $37 offered here: http://www.pwgazette.com/cdsdiaal.htm or here: http://www.purewater4u.com/store/specialtyAAL.shtml Even less expensive, but perhaps less verified and less suitable for residential treatment is use of bauxite: http://www.indian-express.com/ie/daily/19981029/30250034.html There are less expensive Point of Entry (POE) Whole-house Filters then $8000 http://www.purewaterexpress.com/ If you really want to spend lot of money, it is important to verify the vendor claims. There are kits and services which will test your water ... That may be another question and I would defintly probe more the the risks at given concentration. EPA established the standard somehow - there must be some study behind that. Discussion of the effect of different concentrations is here: http://www.centralsupplyinc.com/statenh/ws-3-5.htm For now, just a comment : it looks likely that shower will reduce absorbtion compared to bath and: If you own a house - did you consider digging a well in the city? |
Subject:
Fluoride and Health
From: hatb-ga on 17 Sep 2002 12:55 PDT |
The Food and Nutrition Bureau of the National Academy of Sciences recognizes fluoride as an Essential Nutrient with a Recommended Daily Allowance of 1 mg for prevention of osteoporosis and dental carries. |
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