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Subject: Where to License Bird Calls
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference
Asked by: goofy166-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 06 Jul 2002 12:39 PDT
Expires: 06 Aug 2002 12:34 PDT
Question ID: 37094
I am looking for a source of bird calls and voices for a bird
identifcation project. The sounds would need to be in WAV or MP3
format. I need to find a source that I can license or outright
purchase these sounds from.

I am specifically looking for call of birds of Northern California
right now (about 335) and eventually will need bird calls of the
entire world.
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The following answer was rejected by the asker (they received a refund for the question).
Subject: Re: Where to License Bird Calls
Answered By: lot-ga on 06 Jul 2002 14:56 PDT
Rated:3 out of 5 stars
 
Hello goofy166-ga,
.
Here are some birds recorded at Blodgett Forest Research Station
located near Georgetown, Calafornia. However there are no licensing or
purchase options, you may want to check with the webmaster.
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/2402/songs.html

For all North American bird sounds (which presumably encompasses
Californian birds), you can purchase the “Birds of North America 2.5
CD” at $70 from
http://www.thayerbirding.com/bna2.htm
which contains all 925 birds and their songs, some videos, range maps,
summer and winter abundance maps, identification tips etc. I think
that should satisfy your requirements.
.
For your longer term plans to point you in a direction,
.
For world birds:
.
The “World Bird Guide” 
http://www.mangoverde.com/birdsound/
lists the sounds from 1445 species which are from various sources,
which may be a bit tricky to license or purchase if you were intent on
going that route, as identification or listening to the sounds can be
done online. (but maybe you have some commerical application in mind).
.
Lots of birds here on three pages, again check with the webmaster
http://members.tripod.com/Thryomanes/BirdSounds1.html
http://members.tripod.com/Thryomanes/BirdSounds2.html
http://members.tripod.com/Thryomanes/BirdSounds3.html
.
Birds in South Africa CD which you can purchase with 850 bird sounds.
http://www.sabirding.co.za/cd_base.asp
.
Lots more bird sounds
http://members.tripod.com/~fieldguide/
.
Sounds from the Netherlands
http://www.geocities.com/ivn_vogels/
.
Birds from Hong Kong
http://www.hkbws.org.hk/call.html
.
Australia
http://abc.net.au/archives/av/birds.htm
.
Chile
http://www.ccpo.odu.edu/~andres/aves/sonido.html
.
UK
http://www.lancs.ac.uk/~mccaffea/birding/
.
Brazil
http://www.mma.gov.br/ingles/cgmi/cantoave/canto.html
.
Mexica
http://biology.queensu.ca/~mennilld/Mexico.html
.
Search strategy:
.
http://directory.google.com/Top/Recreation/Birding/Asia/
.
bird recordings
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&newwindow=1&safe=off&cat=gwd%2FTop&q=bird+recordings&btnG=Google+Search
.
hope that helps,
.
Thanks for using Google Answers,
if you need any clarification please ask,
.
kind regards
,
lot-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by goofy166-ga on 06 Jul 2002 17:59 PDT
I thought my question was clear...I need sources that I can LICENSE,
not commercial products just to listen to. CDs of Bird songs are not a
licensable product. Please focus on just bird calls and songs that can
be legally licensed.

Clarification of Answer by lot-ga on 06 Jul 2002 20:22 PDT
Dear goofy166-ga
.
Please accept my apologies, I wrongly assumed the operative word was
‘identification’ and that the license and outright purchase you were
seeking were software / music licenses, i.e. non-exclusive single use.
.
I re-focused on licensing for distribution and found two sources:
.
one for North American bird sounds, from Nature Songs
http://www.naturesongs.com/
Licensing information here
http://www.naturesongs.com/license.html
.
The other resource is Cornell have built the largest collection of
bird sounds in the world.

“With one recent project attracting 100,000 participants worldwide,
the Cornell Lab of Ornithology at Cornell University wanted an
Internet-based system that would allow bird watchers to easily submit
sighting information. Among other digital assets, the lab boasts the
world's largest collection of bird sounds.”
http://www.kmworld.com/resources/featurearticles/index.cfm?action=readfeature&Feature_ID=313
.

Cornell bird sounds homepage
http://birds.cornell.edu/
.

Patent and copyright information on Cornell’s interllectual property
.
“Cornell Research Foundation (CRF) manages the intellectual property
created by Cornell University's faculty and staff. CRF is responsible
for obtaining appropriate patent, trademark, or copyright protection
on Cornell-owned intellectual property, while concurrently licensing
the intellectual property to appropriate commercial partners.

The mission of Cornell Research Foundation as the fiduciary for
Cornell's intellectual property, is to:

1.	foster creativity and inventiveness at Cornell 
2.	support Cornell's educational and research mission 
3.	enhance and protect the intellectual property interests of Cornell
and its employees
4.	manage intellectual property for the benefit of Cornell's research
and educational enterprise and its inventors.

These activities are undertaken to promote local, regional, and
national economies and, ultimately, to disseminate these intellectual
properties for the greatest public good.

Cornell Research Foundation provides intellectual property and related
advice to Cornell employees in their sponsored research and
consulting. The role of Cornell Research Foundation in the protection
and commercial development of inventions and creations includes
management of the following for the inventor:

1.	Determine patentability, trademark, or copyright. 
2.	Evaluate commercial potential. 
3.	Obtain appropriate intellectual property protection. 
4.	Locate suitable commercial development partners or research and
development (R&D) collaborators and market Cornell's intellectual
property to them.
5.	Negotiate and manage licenses for Cornell intellectual property.” 


http://www.crf.cornell.edu/default.html
.
Licensing process:

“CRF welcomes both established companies and start up enterprises who
want to license Cornell's technologies. The process is generally the
same for both parties. Agreements result from negotiation and
therefore are unique to the particular technologies licensed...
.

...After initial assessment the process can move directly to a license
negotiation or take an intermediate step of an option agreement. An
option agreement is the simplest next step. The agreement requires a
payment by the optionee and in return the case manager will
temporarily withdraw the technology from solicitation to third
parties. The option requires the optionee to enter license
negotiations by a certain date or the option will terminate. The
original optionee may resume license negotiations at any time after an
option terminates with equal rights to any third party.
.

CRF grants both exclusive and non-exclusive licenses. The exclusivity
decision rests with the case manager managing the technology. CRF
respects the risks in the marketplace of university technology
licensing. Therefore case managers are flexible and responsive in
developing the license agreement. Licenses include up front fees,
running royalties, diligence milestones, and minimum royalties. The
case manager may reopen negotiations at the licensee's request if
unforeseen events occur during the term of the agreement.”

http://www.crf.cornell.edu/license_process.html
.
I hope that has addressed your question correctly now, sorry for the
confusion.
Good luck with your commerical partnership proposal with Cornell.
I hope it all goes well.
.
Kind regards,
.
lot-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by goofy166-ga on 07 Jul 2002 09:37 PDT
Bascially you supplied me with two links. I am unable to tell from
either of the two sites what kinds of bird calls they provide, what
the costs are, the quality, etc. I am looking for a more comprehensive
supplier, with samples and price lists. It could be a individual
collection, a sound effects supplier, etc.

Clarification of Answer by lot-ga on 07 Jul 2002 11:06 PDT
Hello goofy188-ga,
.
the actual list for the birds for the first site is here
http://www.naturesongs.com/species.html
and the cost and format supplied is found on the licensing page URL
given
.
"4. "Unlimited Download License" - files downloaded from our pages
without editing or alteration required by Naturesongs.com: $100.00 per
file, per license. These licenses give the licensee non-exclusive
ownership of a copy of the file, to do with as he or she pleases. The
file may be reproduced, sold, or altered as the licensee sees fit.
This license is non-exclusive, meaning that other licensees may also
hold such rights to the same file.
.
5. ...We can supply you with custom files on data or music CD,
Cassette Tape, or as computerized files in a wide range of formats.
Please write to us by clicking on the e-mail button below to inquire
about custom files and licensing. "
.
The world species on the Cornell site has 11,482 records, it is
claimed it is the largest in the world so will be difficult to find a
more comprehensive supplier.
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/lns/archive/archive_index.html
Costs for custom licensing for distribution usually depends on your
intended usage, copies and circulation and length of usage, the
Cornell licensing structure appears to be a custom one rather than an
off the shelf pricing model. To acquire a costing I would suggest you
outline your requirements to them. Samples are presumably not
available to protect from copying.
.
If you still need further clarification please do not hestitate to
ask.
.
kind regards lot-ga

Clarification of Answer by lot-ga on 07 Jul 2002 11:17 PDT
Hello goofy166-ga,
here is the direct link to the Cornell archives
http://kookaburra.ornith.cornell.edu/browseinv/FMPro?-db=lnsmastinv.FP3&-lay=browse&-format=search.htm&-view
just in case you cannot locate it (the normal page framed page is not
bookmarkable) so I copied the URL within the frameset.
kind regards lot-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by goofy166-ga on 07 Jul 2002 13:03 PDT
I saw that notice of costs, thing is its vague as there is no
definition of what a file is (is it one sound, 100 sounds), but most
of all this is just as aside for Cornell. They don't even have sample
sounds you can listen too! I am looking for a business that licenses
bird calls, or an individual that does this, or any kind of web site
that makes it easy to buy bird voices. I don't mean to sound critical
but this information you provided is not that useful. I did some of my
own searching and found several sites that let you listen to each bird
call and provide an email address for licensing. Thanks for trying.

Clarification of Answer by lot-ga on 30 Jul 2002 10:11 PDT
Thanks for the rating and the feedback on Cornell, but sounds like
they need to streamline the way they license.
kind regards lot-ga
Reason this answer was rejected by goofy166-ga:
I only got one link, and did not think it was not useful because I
could not sample the sounds.
goofy166-ga rated this answer:3 out of 5 stars
Cornell is pretty good, however they did not offer any live samples,
and dealing with them took a lot of time and effort. I expected to
receive more links than this.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Where to License Bird Calls
From: lot-ga on 07 Jul 2002 14:27 PDT
 
Hello, googy166-ga,

It is rare in my experience to engage with distribution licensing
contracts / agreements with pricing online for the majority of content
e.g. music, photo and video distribution.
.
Normally they need to know the media (e.g. radio broadcast, TV
broadcast, CD, web, tape), distribution (e.g. retail, wholesale,
specialist, front of bird magazine, download etc), number of sounds
required (initially 335?) and type of distribution license you require
(e.g. non-exclusive /  exclusive regional, national or worldwide,
royalty / non royalty) and length (e.g. one year, 5 years etc), your
location, for them to give you a license price.
.
But I do understand you, and your desire to listen to samples, and
purchase. It is the easier way to go for sure, and I take on board
your comments too.
.
I'm sorry that the information supplied was not upto your
expectations, if other researchers have further information on
distribution or 'master' licensing I'm sure they will post it in to
the comments section.
.
All the best,
.
lot-ga

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