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Finding a lat/long coordinate given a compass reading
Category: Science > Earth Sciences Asked by: curious8-ga List Price: $15.00 |
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07 Jul 2004 18:48 PDT
Expires: 06 Aug 2004 18:48 PDT Question ID: 371092 |
I am trying to find the lat/long coordinates to the following point described in a document written in the 1900. It describes the point as follows: Wheeler Mountain bears N. 79 ° 17´ W. Mount Silverheels bears S. 70° E. thence N. 66° 29´ I know the coordinates of Mount Silverheels NAD27 39.3392/-106.0047 and Wheeler Mountain NAD27 39.3806/-106.1356 Could you please give me the exact lat/long coordinate of this point and let me know how you did the calculation. | |
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Re: Finding a lat/long coordinate given a compass reading
From: redhoss-ga on 07 Jul 2004 19:24 PDT |
It sounds to me like you have a point and then a compass heading from that point (N. 66° 29´). |
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Re: Finding a lat/long coordinate given a compass reading
From: scubajim-ga on 08 Jul 2004 16:09 PDT |
You also have to take into account the magnetic declination and how it changes over time. Since the information is from 1900 (over 100 years ago) the magnetic declination may have changed signifigantly since then. Basically you would find a map with these two places on it. (eg mytopo.com you can order a highly detailed topo map for about $15.00. The nice part about them is you can choose the scale and span USGS Quadrants.) Here is what you do: Get a topomap with the two locations on it. Find one of the locations on the map. (assuming your compass has a square base, a direction of travel, and a rotating bezel with lines) (for Wheeler Mountain) Rotate the bezel to 79 °. Position the base of the compass so the direction of travel is towards Wheeler Mountain. Slide the base of the compass around until the lines attached to the rotating bezel are parrellel to Magnetic north. (I draw the magnetic north lines right on the map so I don't have to add or subtract based upon where I am in the country.) Once you have done that draw a line on the map from Wheeler Mountain in the direction opposite the direction of travel. Repeat the above procedure for Mount Silverheels and 70° . Where the two lines intersect is where the person was standing to take the original bearings. |
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Re: Finding a lat/long coordinate given a compass reading
From: racecar-ga on 26 Jul 2004 16:28 PDT |
You do not need a topo map. You have the coordinates of the peaks and the directions to them, which is all you need. It is important to know whether the numbers refer to true north or magnetic north. If magnetic north, you need to know the magnetic declination at the location and time the bearings were taken. However, it is likely that the bearings are true, in which case you don't have to worry about it. If we assume the bearings are true, the point from which the bearings were taken was (39.3616, -106.0647). I figured this out by finding the equation of the line through each peak with the proper slope, and solving for their intersection. The slope of the line through Wheeler is -0.3469, and through Silverheels -.4823. When doing the calculation, you have to remember to divide differences in longitude by the cosine of the latitude when computing distances. At this small scale, the errors introduced by not using spherical geometry are negligible. It is unfortunate that the two peaks were in very nearly opposite directions (about 171 degrees apart) because a small error in the bearing will cause a large error in the location. |
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Re: Finding a lat/long coordinate given a compass reading
From: racecar-ga on 26 Jul 2004 17:12 PDT |
I am sorry, I made an error in the calculation above. (for some reason when I subtracted 70 from 90 I got 30). When I do the calculation correctly, it turns out that the two lines intersect northwest of Wheeler, which means that the bearings must either be incorrect, or uncorrected for magnetic declination. From http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/seg/geomag/jsp/Declination.jsp the magnetic declination at your location in 1900 was 14 deg 11 min E. So the true bearings would be N 65 06' W to Wheeler and S 55 49' E to Silverheels. Using these numbers, the lines intersect just southeast of Silverheels. So my conclusion is that the bearings are crap. There is no possible place you could have stood in 1900 and obtained those bearings to those places, whether the bearings are true or relative to magnetic north. |
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