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Subject:
History of ice
Category: Science > Technology Asked by: trebek9-ga List Price: $12.00 |
Posted:
10 Jul 2004 14:04 PDT
Expires: 09 Aug 2004 14:04 PDT Question ID: 372411 |
In the film "Hidalgo", set around 1890, there's a scene where the protagonist gets into a fistfight on a transatlantic voyage. A friend in first class gives him some ice to apply to his face, but the friend says that ice is a rare commodity at sea, and complains about having to drink his gin warm. My question is, did they have the technology to "make" ice in 1890 on an ocean liner? Or did they just load ice on board when at port, and if so how did they prevent it from melting? Would they have had ice cubes, or just one big block that they had to chip away at? |
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Re: History of ice
From: scriptor-ga on 10 Jul 2004 14:23 PDT |
Actually, making ice cream is basically a very easy process that does not need any sophisticated equipment at all. In the mid-19th century, maybe even earlier, ice cream was made with small portable "machines" that used the low temperature that results from the reaction of salt in water. Constant stirring (with a mechanism manually powered via a crank) kept the flavored milk creamy while freezing. Scriptor |
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Re: History of ice
From: pinkfreud-ga on 10 Jul 2004 14:33 PDT |
Although mechanical refrigeration existed in 1890, I doubt that it would have been in use on a ship. Apparently riverboats in the early 20th century were still using blocks of ice for keeping food cool: "An ice house, south of the commissary, stored large blocks of ice buried in sawdust. The ice was used on the riverboats to refrigerate perishable foods." http://www.yukonweb.com/business/lost_moose/books/edge/shipyards.html |
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Re: History of ice
From: pinkfreud-ga on 10 Jul 2004 14:38 PDT |
Apparently mechanical refrigeration was used onboard ships in the 19th century when the cargo required it: "James Harrison, a Scottish journalist, moved to Australia from Glasgow and set about designing his own refrigeration machine. In 1855 he succeeded in creating and patenting an ether liquid-vapour compression fridge. The compressor worked by exerting pressure on a refrigerant gas, forcing it to pass through a condenser, where it cooled down and liquefied. The liquid then circulated through the refrigeration coils and vaporized again, cooling down the surrounding air. Australia was in desperate need of refrigeration because of its lack of natural ice needed for keeping food cool. Harrison was convinced that the economic salvation of Australia lay in the marketing of her millions of sheep and cows to the millions of Europeans. But without refrigeration, it was impossible to ship the mutton across the 100 Degree-plus Equator. Harrison spent his last penny to equip the Norfolk ship with a chemical freezing mixture for twenty tons of beef and mutton at Melbourne. But when the meat arrived in London, it was discovered that the chemical tanks had leaked and ruined the entire cargo. As a result, James Harrison went into bankruptcy, even being forced to sell his successful newspaper business. Though Harrison was financially devastated, he did open the door for the economic salvation of Australia. Other successful refrigerated voyages followed, which finally convinced Europe that Australia had something to offer, and that frozen food could be both safe and delectable." http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/st_simons/cr0003.htm |
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Re: History of ice
From: nronronronro-ga on 10 Jul 2004 18:53 PDT |
scriptor's astute comment took me back. Any kid who once attended a church ice cream social in the South on Sunday afternoons knows about turning a hand crank for extended periods. Another kid would sit on top of a blanket on top of the churn and add salt. Fantastic ice cream and fun! Flavors were limited only by vanilla extract and the various fruits one had picked in the garden. No extension cords required---just muscles. Those were the days! methusaleh ron |
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Re: History of ice
From: ac67-ga on 12 Jul 2004 08:11 PDT |
Scriptor's comment just confused me, since the question said nothing about ice cream, but only ice itself. But since we're on the subject, Thomas Jefferson was said to have greatly enjoyed ice cream, though I don't have the details on how he made it. |
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