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Subject: which table saw should I buy?
Category: Sports and Recreation > Hobbies and Crafts
Asked by: mxnmatch-ga
List Price: $15.00
Posted: 10 Jul 2004 22:19 PDT
Expires: 09 Aug 2004 22:19 PDT
Question ID: 372570
I need help deciding which table saw to buy.

In a couple months I'm going to get a garage in my building and I plan
on making it my workshop. I don't have room for a table saw in my
apartment, but I will have plenty of room for a nice big accurate
table saw in the garage.

I've looked around online and it looks like I'm looking for saws in
the $1000 to $1500 range, but I'd be willing to go a bit higher if
there was something really good. I have a heck of a time cutting
straight lines with my circular saw, so I really want something that
will give me all the accuracy I can get.

The saw I get should have a fence about 50" long and should also have
a router lift.

I like the table at:
  http://www.woodpeck.com/tspkd.html
but it looks like it might not actually include the saw.

Is that a good table saw system? Are there other better table saw
systems? If I need to buy a table saw separately then what should I
get? Amazon.com has free shipping on all their expensive hardware, so
if I could buy one from them then that might be nice since I assume
that could easily save $200 or more in shipping.

But, this is an expensive purchase and I want to make sure that I
don't regret it shortly afterwards when I see some other table saw
system with even more features, so if I need to pay for shipping then
I'll do that. Once I figure out what I need to buy then I'll try to
find the cheapest way to buy it.
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Subject: Re: which table saw should I buy?
Answered By: crabcakes-ga on 12 Jul 2004 00:36 PDT
 
Hi mxnmatch,

Just as some people prefer Mac computers and some prefer the Windows
platform, favorite kinds of power tools can be rather subjective! To
answer your question, I read numerous reviews, and then I asked the
advice of a neighbor, an advanced woodworker. He confirmed what I had
concluded? He said he would prefer a Jet saw, although the table you
linked to is not a bad table. He recommended the Jet JTAS Xacta Saw,
and adding the Incra Jig Ulta, that is featured on the table to which
you have linked. The Incra Jig Ulta is really a specialized tool
allowing precision cuts, and runs around $250 USD.


?Few tools are as central to a workshop as a tablesaw. Buying one is
not a decision woodworkers take lightly, and it's no surprise that
heated debates over cabinet saws take up a lot of bandwidth on
Internet woodworking discussions, including Fine Woodworking's own,
Knots.?
?Fine Woodworking Magazine? vigorously tested 10 table saws:
Bridgewood BW-12CS, Delta Unisaw, General 350-1, Grizzly Industrial
G1023ZF, Inca 2200, Jet JTAS-10, Lobo TS-1010, Powermatic 66, Sunhill
TAS-12 and Transpower/CP Tools TSC-10HK.
http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/pages/w00042.asp

Further down on this page, you?ll see a link to the test results. The
results are not rated numerically, so you?ll have to read each on in
your price range.
Here?s what the test results said about the Jet JTAS Xacta Saw

?Niall: This saw is an excellent buy at $1,400. The fit and finish are
good. The tabletop and wings are slightly larger than many of the
other 10-in saws.

Lon: Little refinements, such as a reinforcing bracket for the switch,
show attention to details. There is really very little to criticize
about this saw. I even like the new white paint scheme. The machine is
priced right, you have the option of left or right tilt, and with a
little tweaking, the fence's cursor can be improved.?

And

Niall Barrett, custom furniture maker: My pick for overall value in
this group has to be the Jet JTAS-10. Judging from the attention paid
to details on this saw, my gut feeling is that it's well made. But
over the years I've become so fond of my older Inca saw that if it
melted down in a fire, I would have to replace it with another. The
Inca is not priced for everyone, but I've become used to its accuracy
and finesse. It comes with features that are accessories for most
other saws. For example, the Inca's rip fence can be repositioned as
far to the left as to the right of the blade. The miter gauge has flip
stops and a sliding head. After using an Inca, most stock cabinet saws
feel crude by comparison.

http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/pages/w00042.asp


Jet JTAS-10 XACTA SAW
The Jet JTAS-10 XACTA SAW (Right or left lift) comes with a 50? fence,
and can be ordered with an XACTA LIFT router insert. (You add your own
router) The cost at Amazon.com is $1499.99 USD
·Wide stance trunnion design ensures perfect blade alignment
·Large precision-ground 27" x 40" cast iron table with two extension wings
·Choice of 3 HP, single phase, or 5 HP, single or three phase motor
·Three matched v-belts deliver full power to the blade
·4" dust port allows easy connection to a dust collection system
·Convenient rail-mounted magnetic switch provides overload protection
·Hinged motor cover allows quick access to the motor and belts 
· Beveled front table edge allows smooth crosscutting operation
·T-slots and deluxe mitre gauge allow large crosscutting capability
·Adjustable positive stops on mitre gauge at 45 degrees and 90 degrees
assure accuracy
· See-through blade guard with splitter and anti-kickback pawls are
easily removed for non-through cutting
All JTAS-10 Kits are available with the XACTA-LIFT router insert and
deluxe fence built in.
·To order any JTAS-10 tablesaw with the XACTA LIFT kit replace the PK
with RXK or saws with Deluxe XACTA FENCE II replace the DK with DXK.
These saws will come standard with the precut accessory wood table,
XACTA LIFT router insert, deluxe router fence and support legs

Woodworkers Journal gives a short review:
?The JET JTAS-10 Left-Tilt Table Saw found its way into the shop of
frequent contributor Charles Self way back in October 1998. We asked
him to hang on to JET?s saw and give it a hard once-over. Among other
things, Charles was impressed with the ?remarkably low vibration? of
the saw. Over the course of a year, with regular day-to-day use, says
Charles, ?I didn?t need to readjust the fence at all.?
http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/tte/jet.cfm

This Workbench review gives a few tips on selecting one model over another.
http://www.woodnet.net/toolreviews/tablesaws/tablesaws_details.html

Amazon.com carries this model, for $1,499.99, with free shipping.
Further down the page are customer reviews. Seems people either LOVE
this saw, or they hate it.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000223L6/qid=1089612557/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-4576965-0831139?v=glance&s=hi

Technical Specs:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000223L6/ref=hi_de_a_smtpd/104-4576965-0831139?v=glance&s=hi&vi=tech-data

Amazon has some bonuses too: Bonus: Includes a free extension table
and legs, over a $180 value, when you purchase this JET saw from
Amazon.com
Special Offer: Take $25 off when you purchase $199 or more of Tools &
Hardware products offered by Amazon.com. Offer valid through August 8,
2004. (Applies only to products sold by Amazon.com. Does not apply to
products sold by third-party merchants and other sellers through the
Amazon.com site.)

You can find a dealer near you, and pick it up yourself if you like!
http://tutsan.forest.net/jetequip/search.htm

One woodworker, on his personal website says: ?Summary: Overall the
Jet JTAS-10 is the best saw I've owned and used. I really like it and
would buy it again. I especially like the Left-Tilt having used a
Right Tilt all my life.? He shows his newer model along with some
helpful modifications.
http://home.pacbell.net/jdismuk/jtas10.html

#1 Power Tools has some favorable reviews, though the manual got poor reviews!
http://www.1-power-tools.com/table-saws/JET-708663DXK-JTAS-10XL-B00006S7CP-review.html

?The Jet Xacta fence face is also easy to remove. Additionally, the
Xacta fence face is made of a slippery plastic that never needs
waxing. The Xacta fence's cursor has a built-in magnifier -- which is
a good idea -- but false readings are possible if you're not standing
directly over the magnifier. That's because the cursor is positioned
too high off the measuring tape. The most simple fix would be to add
shims between the cursor and its mounting bracket, thereby lowering
it.?
http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/pages/w00042.asp



Now, the system you have linked to, the Incra TS3a does not come with
the saw, but it does come with an Incra Jig Ultra system, for precise
dovetails, and more. As I have indicated, for a small amount of money,
you can get the better saw above, and as your skills increase, add the
Incra Jig Ultra that you see on the system you are looking at.
http://www.woodpeck.com/tspkd.html

About the Incra Jig Ultra:
http://www.woodshopdemos.com/incra.htm
You can add the Incra Jig Ultra to any table saw, and my neighbor has
his eye on it himself!
http://hottoolprices.com/incrajigultra.htm
How the Incra Jig came to be:
http://www.woodworking.com/articles/index.cfm?fa=show&id=226
Assembling the Incra
http://www.mv.com/users/besposito/woodworking/incra/rtew_wonderfence_pg1.html

Let me point out one thing you may or may not have considered: The AC
outlet that you will be plugging this saw into. Most saws with any
muscle, take a 220 volt outlet, the kind used for clothes dryers and
kitchen stoves. Any router you select will be 110 volt, so you will
need a 220 circuit AND a 110 circuit close to each other. Planers,
joiners, sanders, and vacuum systems will all be 110 volts. If you are
not well versed in electrical wiring, I?d recommend getting an
electrician to determine the kind of outlet needed and whether you?ll
need a new circuit from the power box to the garage.

It?s a good ides to order the dust collection bag at the same time as
you order the table saw, as you want a properly fitted bag. One other
tip, order locking casters for your saw tables, to allow for easy
movement when needed.

 For each device, over and above the saw, you should have a dedicated
110 volt circuit outlet. The overhead lights can be on one circuit,
but it's best to have each power tool on a separate dedicated circuit,
to avoid repeatedly blowing the breakers. (This from an experienced
woodworker who knows!)

It seems that the Jet saw might serve you better than the Incra table.
Please read the reviews I have linked to and see if you come to the
same conclusion.


Sites and Publications you may enjoy:

http://www.shopnotes.com/

http://www.woodmagazine.com/

http://www.rockler.com/

http://www.azwoodman.com/

http://www.southern-tool.com/store/contractor_table_saws.html

May I ask that you refrain from closing this question by rating the
answer, until you are satisfied with my answer. Simply click the
Answer Clarification button, if any part of this answer is unclear,
and I will be happy to assist you further.

Regards,
crabcakes

Search Terms
Table saw reviews
Woodworker?s Journal
Woodworker?s recommendations

Request for Answer Clarification by mxnmatch-ga on 30 Jul 2004 12:09 PDT
I haven't said anything up to this point because I won't be getting
the garage until probably sometime near the end of this month. (I hope
they move out this month.)

However, it looks like the garage I'll be getting is a little bit
smaller than I thought. Given that a 50" table is actually probably
something like 70" or 80" (when you include the rest of the saw), then
that would probably be too big.

My preference would be to have the ruler (or whatever it's called on a
tablesaw) be split on a hinge or something so that I could collapse
the right side past 25 or 30" except when I actually need the extra
length.

Is that possible or is that just not an option? It might help if I
could collapse the left side as well so that I could just raise that
when in use. (I need to leave space on the left for the compound miter
saw to be positioned so that it faces the edge of the garage and also
leave a little space to walk in between the table saw and the compound
miter saw.)

Clarification of Answer by crabcakes-ga on 30 Jul 2004 21:58 PDT
Hi there mxnmatch,
   I'm not sure such a "hingeable" table exists, but I will look for
you. I will be away for a few days...but I will post as soon as
possible.

  Regards,
crabcakes

Clarification of Answer by crabcakes-ga on 09 Aug 2004 13:01 PDT
Hi again, mxnmatch,

  Thank you for being patient! I was unable to find a "hingeable"
fence for you, but I may  have other options for you.

Not exactly what you asked for, but you may consider a Shopsmith, an
all-in-one kind of tool. I know someone who uses this and he makes
some beautiful cabinets with it. I also know others who are impatient,
and don?t want to take the time to convert this machine into each of
it?s separate functions. For someone with limited space, however, this
is one way to get one?machine? to do it all. I have seen this on
display at large hardware stores as well as some Home and Garden
shows. You may want to investigate the Shopsmith; some models are
quite expensive, but used ones can be found.
http://www.shopsmith.com/

http://almy.us/faq.html

http://www.woodworking.com/ww101smith.cfm

You can find a demo close to you on this site:
http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/demo/index.htm

Consider reading this ShopSmith users? forum, to get a feel what users think:
http://www.ssug.org/index.php


Other options would be to buy a portable saw:

Portable Table saw
http://www.lowes.com/lkn?action=howTo&p=BuyGuide/chstablesaw.html&rn=RightNavFiles/rightNavTools


DeWalt Portable Table Saw
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004T93N/103-4886872-2798224?v=glance

http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/articles/showarticle.asp?articleID=1500&position=0&type=article

Ryobi Table Saw
http://www.woodworking.com/articles/index.cfm?fa=show&id=423

More information on tools for small spaces:

http://www.woodworkingtips.com/woodtips/snlayout.html

http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/articles/showarticle.asp?articleID=1560&position=2&type=article&partID=1

http://www.thewoodshop.20m.com/festool_mft1.htm

http://www.woodmagazine.com/wood/story.jhtml;jsessionid=IE3VBHZAMWRRZQFIBQNSBHWAVABB4IV0?storyid=/templatedata/wood/story/data/82.xm

I hope this helps you outfit your new shop! Again, please request an
Answer Clarification, if you need further assistance.

Regards,
crabcakes

Clarification of Answer by crabcakes-ga on 09 Aug 2004 13:07 PDT
Me again....The last link I provided somehow got truncated. Here is
the complete link:
http://www.woodmagazine.com/wood/story.jhtml;jsessionid=IE3VBHZAMWRRZQFIBQNSBHWAVABB4IV0?storyid=/templatedata/wood/story/data/82.xml&catref=wd23

I apologize for the inconvenience!

crabcakes
Comments  
Subject: Re: which table saw should I buy?
From: daytrader76-ga on 11 Jul 2004 07:45 PDT
 
http://www.epinions.com/hmgd-Shop_Tools-All-Table_Saw

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