One of those silly conversations that takes place in a (UK)
office..... While talking about films, someone jokingly said that they
thought that America 'invented' aliens for the sake of US films. The
conversation drifted then on to who *did* 'invent' aliens? Rather, my
question is, what are the earliest recorded popular references to the
concept of aliens? If the response is that there is some obscure
reference in 10,000BC in some ancient manuscript, when did the notion
of aliens become part of popular culture? |
Clarification of Question by
ianuk-ga
on
15 Jul 2004 14:12 PDT
Rather stupid of me; I knew what I meant by 'alien', but of course it
actually has a much wider definition. I don't refer to 'alien' simply
as when was the word invented or first used in reference to 'outsier'.
I do specifically mean 'aliens' as in martians, from other planets,
etc..
Equally, my question really is as simple as it first looks. I'm not
interested in evidence of crop circles or sightings, etc., my question
simply is, when did ordinary folk (time, country) start referring to
little green men (or whatever), with a similar understanding to what
we have now?
Thanks for inputs thus far.
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Request for Question Clarification by
pafalafa-ga
on
15 Jul 2004 14:46 PDT
If you're referring to the public's fascination with little green men,
blame it on the Italians. Specifically, Giovanni Schiparelli's report
in 1877 about the "canali" on Mars fueled intense worldwide
speculation about life on the red planet, capped in 1910 by the
publication of a book on the topic by the very eminent American
astronomer, Lowell:
http://www.msss.com/http/ps/life/life.html
This is probably the best accounting for the modern origin of the
notion of "aliens".
Is this what you are asking about, or are you specifically focused on
the use of the term "aliens" as a description of extra-terrestrial
life?
pafalafa-ga
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Clarification of Question by
ianuk-ga
on
15 Jul 2004 15:12 PDT
The question was only a trivial and meandering one from the outset.
Nonetheless, your latter point does encompass perfectly how I would
(/should) have phrased the question. To paraphrase your clarification
request, I am indeed asking roughly when (and where, if relevant) the
use of the term "aliens" as a description of extra-terrestrial life
entered every-day life.
This is a subject that has already become rather more interesting than
I originally anticipated. The varied discussion provided by
'comments' is all most enlightening. Thanks again to all
participants.
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Request for Question Clarification by
pafalafa-ga
on
15 Jul 2004 16:23 PDT
Nothing definitive, but I did find this reference in a Los Angeles
Times article from September 8, 1958 about a sci-fi double feature --
The Blob, and I Married a Monster from Outer Space:
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Weird Stories to Be Screened on Double Bill
Strange half-human creatures from another planet, spaceship and rocket
flights figure in the twin shock program...
..."I Married a Monster From Outer Space" tells the story of a
vanguard of aliens who intend to conquer the earth.
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I'm sure I've seen that one!
pafalafa-ga
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Request for Question Clarification by
techtor-ga
on
16 Jul 2004 03:05 PDT
Hello Ianuk,
When looked around, I saw mention of Camille Flammarion, a French
astronomer. He is attributed to have had in 1864 the first idea of an
alien, in his nonfiction work Real and Imaginary Worlds. This is the
first mention of an 'alien' in the concept we know today, discounting
references to strange beings in the works cited by others below and in
ancient texts. Would this be the kind of answer you are looking for?
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Clarification of Question by
ianuk-ga
on
16 Jul 2004 14:19 PDT
Techtor,
That is indeed the kind of answer I was seeking. The references by
more than one correspondent to ancient Indian writings are most
interesting; I was not previously aware of Vimanas. Your line of
thought of finding the earliest known reference in books seems also to
have been the one taken by jjlawton in his or her comment - but you
have beaten them by some 28 years (though they refer to novels). I
did vaguely ask for evidence of entering 'popular culture' - a work of
mainstream fiction is obviously a perfect example of this. The extent
to which this applies to a nonfiction work by an astronomer obviously
depends on the case. If you feel that this discussion is reaching the
end of its course and that this work influenced common thinking, then
feel free to post it as an answer.
In response to Pafalafa's requests, your citations are all perfectly
valid responses for which I am grateful. Nonetheless, if Techtor's
reference is confirmed to have been influential, we cannot doubt its
being earlier than 1877.
My difficulty in responding to your requests is that I cannot identify
a definitive answer. As researchers, if you genuinely feel that your
response is the best answer to my question (and its later
clarifications), please do post it as 'the' answer.
Thanks again
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