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Subject:
Starting a sentence with "Wonder if ..."
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference Asked by: scpbob-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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15 Jul 2004 15:42 PDT
Expires: 14 Aug 2004 15:42 PDT Question ID: 374682 |
I often hear people begin a sentence with "Wonder if ..." when I think they should said "I wonder if ..." or "What if ..." Is "Wonder if ..." proper? |
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Re: Starting a sentence with "Wonder if ..."
From: burfart13-ga on 15 Jul 2004 18:37 PDT |
Though not grammatically correct, this form of slang has permeated the vernacular of nearly all native English speakers. The reason for this is the fact that there is no subject, rather it is implied, and unless the speaker is using an imperitive form, also an incorrect syntax when "wonder if" is involved, this usage is not proper. The part missing is the often implied "do you" or "I" preceeding "wonder if". Also you might be wondering why I said there is no subject even if the sentence were "Wonder if pigs can fly." Misleading as it might be "pigs" is not the subject. This is due to the fact that "if" is a subordinating conjunction signaling the beginning of a subordinate clause in which "pigs" is the subject. (still following me?) As a rule, subordinate clasues cannot stand alone (imagine the confusion of just saying "If pigs can fly") Therefore, the only part of the independent clause is wonder, and as said earlier, considering the syntax 'you' cannot be implied for it is not an imperitive (directive) sentence. A correct way of expressing this thought would be to say "Do you wonder if..." or as you suggested "I wonder if.." Also correct would be "What if..." since in this case "what" is an interrogative pronoun, and therefore can act as a subject of the sentence. Hope I helped Mike 10th grade English student |
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Re: Starting a sentence with "Wonder if ..."
From: purkinje-ga on 15 Jul 2004 22:19 PDT |
Burfart is pretty much right-- it is only a correct statement if used as an imperative (command form, with "you" as the implied subject). If you are using it in the sense of "Think about this..." then it could actually be ok. But in general it is ugly slang. |
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Re: Starting a sentence with "Wonder if ..."
From: purkinje-ga on 15 Jul 2004 22:35 PDT |
I forgot to mention, what is even liable for grammatical error is the word "if." "If" implies an "if,then" function, like "I wonder if you fell from 30 feet, (then) would you die?" But more often than not, people use "wonder" in the sense of a "whether or not" function, e.g., "I wonder whether moldy bread is poisonous (or not)," in which case "if" would be a grammatically incorrect word. |
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Re: Starting a sentence with "Wonder if ..."
From: ac67-ga on 16 Jul 2004 07:27 PDT |
At first I thought this was a strange question, because I have never noticed people doing this. Then I started saying it to see which sounded right, and realized that even though I say "I wonder if...", the "I" often comes out softly and blends into the beginning of the word "wonder," so that if you weren't listening closely (as you might not be right at the start of someone else talking), you would miss the word "I", even though I said it. I wonder if this is what you are hearing, or not hearing as the case may be. I certainly don't see the "I" left off in writing, so people know it belongs there. The thing that I notice in the written form of this statement is that a lot of people put a question mark at the end, as in, "I wonder if pigs can fly?" This of course, is incorrect, as the sentence is a statement of my own wonder, not a question. Of course, the English language is not a static entity, but is constantly evolving, so what is correct now will not necessarily stay correct, nor does it follow the same rules in all countries. The purpose of language is to communicate, and I much prefer incorrect grammar which communicates a message clearly to perfect polished language which is used to obfuscate or confuse. |
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Re: Starting a sentence with "Wonder if ..."
From: pafalafa-ga on 16 Jul 2004 08:56 PDT |
Wonder if you'll get an answer....? |
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Re: Starting a sentence with "Wonder if ..."
From: loboloko24-ga on 25 Jul 2004 12:48 PDT |
Starting a sentence with "wonder if" is incorrect. Every sentence in the English Language needs a subject (a person or thing that is performing an action)and a predicate (or verb...this is the action that the subject is performing). If someone said "Wonder if he is nice," the word "wonder" would be the predicate, but there would be no subject. In other words, there wouldn't be anyone wondering in a sentence starting with "wonder if". One has to state "I wonder" or "he wonders" or "you wonder" (etc.) before he continues his sentence. |
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Re: Starting a sentence with "Wonder if ..."
From: neilzero-ga on 26 Jul 2004 09:23 PDT |
It might be appropriate if you are tring to get any kind of discussion under way, as the listeners could appropiately respond to any one as the subject, thus broadening the possibilties, including an analysis of why it is bad grammer. Neil |
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Re: Starting a sentence with "Wonder if ..."
From: smudgy-ga on 26 Jul 2004 11:33 PDT |
Strictly speaking, yes, to begin a sentence "Wonder if..." would be incorrect, since no subject is present. But the thing about language is that it's incredibly flexible, and in general we can think of "language" as being successful if the correct meaning is conveyed unambiguously. In this case it's clear that the intended subject of the sentence is "I". So as long as we're reasonably assured that the listener will assume the implied subject, we can't really take issue with whether this sentence succeeds in conveying its meaning. Stylistically we might make criticisms, but in conversational language style is not necessarily a primary consideration. This situation is similar to someone saying, "May I leave the table?" and the head of the table replying, "You may." The head of the table doesn't say what the person may do, but it's clear what is intended. "You may" on its own is essentially meaningless--you may do what? Eat an elephant? Grow antennae? Pitch a no-hitter? But in its context there is no ambiguity to the meaning of the utterance, so the language does what it was intended: it indicates to the listener that they may, in fact, leave the table. Another way it was put to me once is this: Let's say I find a sticky note on the fridge that says: S- GET LAUNDRY -A From a grammatical-stylistic point of view, this is an abomination. There is a lack of punctuation and articles, capitalization is used incorrectly, as are seemingly arbitrary abbreviations, etc. But in the note's context as "a note left for me on the fridge" the meaning is clear: A. (let's say Alice) wants me (Smudgy) to get the laundry. In this sense the communication is entirely successful, and perhaps even close to ideal: it conveys its meaning within its context and with a minimum of superfluous material. In short, since "Wonder if..." is clearly from a casual context and not a formal one, and since it generally conveys its meaning clearly and entirley, it's churlish even to attempt to criticize it on stylistic grounds. As for why this phenomenon occurs, I imagine it has to do with the fact that sometimes the beginning of a sentence can get choked off--not getting enough air to be spoken at sufficient volume--when someone first starts talking. Either that or the "I" and the beginning of "wonder" get elided together. Basically (in either case) it's probably a consequence of the tendency for most people to be lazy when they speak. I'm not a linguist but I've studied a bit of this stuff, and I've made these statements without any actual research into the matter, so make of it what you will. Good luck, smudgy. |
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Re: Starting a sentence with "Wonder if ..."
From: pinkfreud-ga on 26 Jul 2004 11:56 PDT |
Spoken language often uses verbal "shorthand." I see nothing wrong in starting a sentence with "Wonder if...", unless the circumstances call for the use of formal English. To demand strict adherence to structural rules in colloquial speech or in informal writing is, in words often attributed to Sir Winston Churchill, "the type of arrant pedantry up with which I shall not put." |
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Re: Starting a sentence with "Wonder if ..."
From: ac67-ga on 27 Jul 2004 06:57 PDT |
I'm not sure I would want someone named Smudgy getting the laundry - at least not if it was clean laundry! |
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