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Subject:
Pharma companies that don't use animals
Category: Science Asked by: vagabono-ga List Price: $10.00 |
Posted:
21 Jul 2004 11:28 PDT
Expires: 20 Aug 2004 11:28 PDT Question ID: 377216 |
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Re: Pharma companies that don't use animals
From: purkinje-ga on 21 Jul 2004 13:01 PDT |
I doubt you will ever find one pharma company that doesn't use animals. Maybe herbal companies, but that's because they're not restricted by the FDA, and their products can make general therapeutic claims without any evidence, according to DSHEA, passed in 1996. Pharma companies must first pass drugs through toxicological studies (i.e., to find out if the drug damages any tissues or organs). They can predict the effects using physiological and stuctural biological theories, but sometimes there are just occurences that you can't predict, and animals are used for that (rather than humans-- naturally, unless you wanted to volunteer for that). This, of course, is only after the drug has been proven to interact with enymes, etc. in vitro and give some desired effect, i.e., they are only allowed to use the new drugs if it has been shown to theoretically give some therapeutic value. It's not like they are just throwing chemicals into animals to see what happens. They know very well the physiology of lab mice, and then can predict the effects in humans much, much better. I have conducted human research, and it is actually harder to get approval to do animal research now-a-days than it is to do human research. But now I'm way off topic. |
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Re: Pharma companies that don't use animals
From: vagabono-ga on 22 Jul 2004 08:04 PDT |
Thanks for your comment. I should have been more specific in the subject line. I am looking for companies that do pleclinical work that does not utilize animals. I became interested in the issue after reading "What Do We Do If We Don't Experiment On Animals" by Drs. Jean Swingle Greek and C. Ray Greek. I realize that it's an FDA requirement to test in animals before going into man, but that necessity is called into question by the writers. |
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Re: Pharma companies that don't use animals
From: terekkincaid-ga on 24 Jul 2004 07:56 PDT |
I have not read that article, but as a research scientist, I can promise you that animal tests are necessary if you want to protect human lives. End of story. You can use existing science to predict the effects of a drug, but any new compound can have unexpected effects in a physiological system. There are so many things we still do not understand, so using computer models, etc. are pointless since you can't program parameters that we don't know about yet. We have to test drugs in some kind of living system, either animal or human. The FDA (and, in fact, our government in general) has deemed human life more valuable than animal life, and therefore tests must take place in animals before the drug can be used in humans. We could skip tests in animals and skip straight to humans, but the loss of human life is unacceptable. Now, whether you think human life is more valuable than animal life is another matter. I personally agree with the government. Some other groups, like PETA, seem to disagree. That is a personal morality choice. However, at this time, the majority of Americans place higher value on human life, and thus animal testing of drugs is necessary. A "pharmaceutical" company that doesn't do animal testing isn't a true drug researcher. |
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Re: Pharma companies that don't use animals
From: nic16-ga on 29 Jul 2004 11:38 PDT |
to be honest, even if a company says they don't test on animals, it has been known they use ingredients which have been previously by another company, or another possibility is that I know it is possible to outsource testing to another company. |
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