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When can the police enter my home
Category: Relationships and Society > Law Asked by: dwf-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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27 Jul 2004 02:28 PDT
Expires: 26 Aug 2004 02:28 PDT Question ID: 379561 |
when may the police legally enter my home? If my wife and I are arguing over business late at night, and our neighbor calls the police, and they come and pound on the door, am I required to open it for them to search the apartment. no call for help has been made from inside the apartmnet. we are just a couple fighting due to stress, do the poice have the right to enter my home and interogate us about this? It is terrifying. Can I legally refuse to open the door? | |
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Re: When can the police enter my home
From: neilzero-ga on 27 Jul 2004 05:23 PDT |
In my humble opinion, You can ask to see their search warrent. Even if they produce a search warrent, you can say " how can I know this is a real search warrent? How can I know you are real police? Fakes are easy, cheap, and far beyond my ability to identify." If you and your signifcant other are reasonably composed, and appear undamaged; The police will typically leave after writing each of you tickets requiring a court appearance. Is that better than letting them in and having the matter settled in a few minutes? Neil |
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Re: When can the police enter my home
From: dwf-ga on 27 Jul 2004 09:32 PDT |
This is a situation where there is not search warrant. |
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Re: When can the police enter my home
From: dr_bob-ga on 27 Jul 2004 10:52 PDT |
First, I'm not a lawyer. This comment was free, and it's not legal advice. It is merely a comment of humble opinion from an otherwise deranged lunatic who patrols google answers with nothing constructive to do. I believe, police may enter your home if they have a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been, or is being committed, or they have reason to believe the safety of the occupants of your apartment were in danger. It is likely that the nature of the call they received met their reasonable suspicion. Would it hold up in court? You would have to take your case to court and find out. |
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Re: When can the police enter my home
From: tutuzdad-ga on 27 Jul 2004 11:00 PDT |
You are right Bob. The legal issue giving authority here is called "exigent circumstances". As a member of law enforcement myself I am quite familiar with it but I didn't elaborate on it because, frankly, it's much more complicated than time allows. Neilzero's comment on the other hand is utter nonsense as usual. tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: When can the police enter my home
From: pinkfreud-ga on 27 Jul 2004 11:04 PDT |
I doubt that the noise factor of the yelling was of great concern to the police officers. They wanted to enter the premises to make certain that no one was being injured. While you may view your domestic disputes as a private matter, if these fights have become so loud that the neighbors can hear them, the privacy factor isn't there anymore. It is the duty of the police to intervene if there is a suspicion that someone is being harmed or is likely to be harmed. |
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Re: When can the police enter my home
From: dwf-ga on 27 Jul 2004 12:05 PDT |
Again, I am looking for a clear answer. If an argument is occuring. And the neighbors call to report it. Am I legally obligated to open the door to the police. If so why? I understand if someone makes a 911 call from within the house. The law I saw said the police may enter if someone is yelling for help. This was not the case. We were arguing loudly over a business concern. I understand that they may call to ask us to shut up, or issue a citiation for disturbance. But do I have to open the door to them and consent to a search? What happens if I don't? |
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Re: When can the police enter my home
From: dr_bob-ga on 27 Jul 2004 12:24 PDT |
The answer is, there is no clear answer to determine what a police officer was thinking when he went to your home in the middle of the night. I will tell you, that in general it is usually not a good idea to play "lets make a deal" when a peace officer tells you to do something. The peace officer, upon arriving at your door must make sure that everyone in your apartment was safe, including himself and the people in the immediate vicinity. Denial of the fact that there was a disturbance at your home does not mean that the people inside are safe. Bad guys lie to the police all the time. If I was the peace officer at your property and you said "Sorry, you can't come in!", I would say, "I have reason to believe that persons in your home are in danger, and I am going to enter!" What are you going to do now? Call a lawyer? Hide the body? Get a gun? Did we really need to have this conversation? The discussion was over when the police arrived at your home. They have an obligation to protect the public. That means you, your wife, and whoever might be in your apartment(that they can't see!), and if meeting that obligation means entering your home after a domestic dispute, then so be it. |
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Re: When can the police enter my home
From: dr_bob-ga on 27 Jul 2004 12:32 PDT |
And lastly,,, You could very well be arrested for disturbing the peace. It's quite simple. You don't have the right to disturb everyone elses peace and quiet with your domestic squabbles. If they need to take action(arrest you) in order to enforce the law, enjoy your trip in the squad car because you'll be hanging out in a holding cell with a bunch of guys named Bubba who don't take to kindly to guys who yell at their wives. Let it go, dood. <----I can say this because I'm a lowly commenter who has nothing else better to do. |
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Re: When can the police enter my home
From: pinkfreud-ga on 27 Jul 2004 12:35 PDT |
"...the United States Supreme Court has crafted a few carefully drawn exceptions to the warrant requirement to cover situations where 'the public interest require[s] some flexibility in the application of the general rule that a valid warrant is a prerequisite for a search.' Arkansas v. Sanders, 442 U.S. 753, 759, 99 S. Ct. 2586, 2590 (1979). One such exception is that the police may enter a private premises and conduct a search if 'exigent circumstances' mandate immediate action. See Michigan v. Tyler, 436 U.S. 499, 509, 98 S. Ct. 1942, 1949-50 (1978). The exigent circumstances exception recognizes a 'warrantless entry by criminal law enforcement officials may be legal when there is compelling need for official action and no time to secure a warrant.' Michigan, 436 U.S. at 509, 98 S. Ct. at 1949. The exception encompasses several common situations where resort to a magistrate for a search warrant is not feasible or advisable, including: danger of flight or escape, loss or destruction of evidence, risk of harm to the public or the police, mobility of a vehicle, and hot pursuit." http://www.law.emory.edu/11circuit/may2002/01-13607.opn.html |
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Re: When can the police enter my home
From: neilzero-ga on 28 Jul 2004 04:48 PDT |
Hi pinkfruud, It appears our freedom from search or seizure is worth little. One of those excuses has some chance of validity in every situation. I presume many fewer search warrants are issued to uniformed police than in past decades. The documents that phoney police can produce would likely fool the average judge. Do you think that 1% of the police entries into private homes are phoney police? I still think there is a slight chance the police will not enter your home if you appear to have normal concerns about whether they are real police, but I admit to zero first hand experiece. Would it be reasonable to talk to the police dispatcher on the phone before inviting the police into your home? The final comment by Tutuzdad regarding my comment suggests the police do not even want us to think about how we might discourage police from entering our homes. Can you think of other comments of mine that deserve his "as usual" Please tell me if I am out of line on answers.google. We all are impressed with your opinion. Neil |
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Re: When can the police enter my home
From: daytrader76-ga on 28 Jul 2004 07:32 PDT |
"Am I legally obligated to open the door to the police." NO! NO! NO! If the police have a warrant, they will knock the door down. Without a warrant, they will only break the door down if they see you beating her through a window, or if she is shouting, "Help me! He's going to kill me!" But if she shares your interest in avoiding the police - and she should, then just be quiet and the cops will go away. Within your home, you have full legal right to ignore the cop. |
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Re: When can the police enter my home
From: mother911-ga on 28 Jul 2004 08:37 PDT |
Hi dwf-ga, I found an article regarding anonymous phone calls and police entry. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_5_72/ai_102658846/pg_2 The basis of the article is that the phone call in and of itself is not enough reason to enter the residence. I would imagine though, as a married man who may have argued once or twice, that if they pulled up and overheard the conversation from the street, they would justifiable reason to request entry to insure the safety of the other occupants of the home. I'm basing this on the comment in the article: "The courts will examine exactly what information is conveyed by an anonymous call in determining whether the police had reasonable grounds to believe that there was an emergency requiring immediate action." That leads me to believe that if there was reasonable grounds to assume there was a domestic violence in progress, or if in fact they feel someone in the house is being threatened and or physically injured, they have the right to demand entry. Personal opinion, no matter how heated up you are, when the boys in blue arrive and want to look in and make sure no one is currently injured or being detained against their will, let them in, let them know you were having a screamer, and let them look around. Most likely they will just tell you to keep it down, unless of course someone is bandaged and newly bruised. Some states do allow (or used to recently) officers to determine someone has been attacked and remove individuals they believe were involved. Mother911-ga |
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Re: When can the police enter my home
From: tresea-ga on 08 Aug 2004 06:49 PDT |
I add this comment on the anniversary of the day (17 years ago) that i became aware of MY constitutional rights, as was set forth by the founding fathers of this free country we live in, and the complete and utter disregard of those constitutional rights by law enforcement, and the misconception they are here to "serve and protect" us. On 8/8/88 the police apparently recd a call of a 'domestic disturbance' ((the stero was too loud- and me and my boyfriend were having a heated discussion over the music))when the police came to the door of our 2nd floor apartment- to investigate, the music was turned downed. WITHOUT opening the door- we BOTH apologized for the disturbance. The officers insisted they needed to see me, to be certain that i was not harmed- so i went to the BIG picture window and spoke to the officers--eplaining i was fine....and they could SEE that i was fine... no- they wanted to come in and talk to me...why--im right here 2 feet from you and you can see im alright. They kept insisting that we let them in. and we refused. The office were told ((numerous times) ) "Do not come thru that door in violation of my constitutional rights, because i have the right to bear arms and the right to proctect my property". Of course the situation escalated at this point. Nine hours later we discovered the 'degree' to which it had escaladed- as we were both awaken by a concushion granade being thrown into the apartment, the front door being kicked in by the local SWAT team, carrying automatic weapons, handcuffing the both of us in the bedroom, and physically removing us from the apartment. There wasnt so much as ONE charge against either of us...no law broken! Simply 2 people who refused to have their contitutional rights crushed. SO --to answer your question....if you OPEN the door- the police have the right to enter. Its your choice. You simply need to be prepared to defend your constitutional rights and personal freedom, as well as accept the consequences. |
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Re: When can the police enter my home
From: ephraim-ga on 08 Aug 2004 09:44 PDT |
tresea-ga commented: "The office were told ((numerous times) ) "Do not come thru that door in violation of my constitutional rights, because i have the right to bear arms and the right to proctect my property"." May I suggest -- regardless of circumstances -- that threatening a police officer with bodily harm or death is probably one of the DUMBEST things a person can do during a disagreement with the police? These people are armed and trained how to use weapons. They can call for backup and have dozens more armed officers at your door within minutes. Were you seriously willing to go down in a hail of bullets? The courts are there for your use to defend your constitutional rights. While you may very well have been within your rights to refuse them entry to your home (and not knowing the exact circumstances or the law, I won't guess about who was right in this case), I think it was highly stupid to threaten the police. If you're really concerned about your constitutional rights, then learn how to document what's happening as it happens, and present it in a courtroom later, when nobody is feeling physically threatened. If a jury agrees with you, then you can probably sue their collective behinds for $$$ later. /ephraim |
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