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Q: How to get .com.au domain names ( Answered 4 out of 5 stars,   2 Comments )
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Subject: How to get .com.au domain names
Category: Business and Money > Small Businesses
Asked by: gaeloe-ga
List Price: $25.00
Posted: 09 Jul 2002 21:47 PDT
Expires: 08 Aug 2002 21:47 PDT
Question ID: 38042
I am running a .com business in Thailand (i am french) and I would
like to enter the Australian market urgently. Therefore, I would like
to register a .com.au domain name as it is very critical for the
success of my new venture (Australian people prefer to go to
Australian sites...).

I have found out that we apparently DO need to have a registered
business name, an ABN and/or TFN number.

Basically, I do not want to create a company in Australia just for
acquiring a domain name. So, here is my question:

What is the simplest, quickest and cheapest way to get my australian
domain name?
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Subject: Re: How to get .com.au domain names
Answered By: siliconsamurai-ga on 10 Jul 2002 06:35 PDT
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Presuming that you have a legitimate business and that you are going
to make your country of actual residence/location known on your Web
site, here is the cheapest way I could find to obtain a .com.au URL.

Form an association with an Australian-based company. This price will
vary but a smaller business which is not directly competing with yours
would be a good possibility. You didn’t describe your business so I
can’t be more specific.

Apply for a trademark in Australia. Since it is legitimate to obtain
an Australian URL if you are an applicant, this seems the simplest
route to take. There is an online application page located at:

http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/T_reg.htm

You can complete the entire transaction online using a credit card.
The cost to apply for a single trademark is $150 Australian and an
additional $300 when approved.

There is more information at:

http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/library/PDFS/trademark/kit.pdf

The official government site says that “anyone” can apply for a
trademark and specifically states that you do NOT need a lawyer to do
this.

You can also just obtain a license to trade. This takes some time but
is not particularly expensive, although it is very likely to cost more
than simply applying for a trademark because of the extra time and
work involved.

Obtain an Australian Business Name or ABN.  The easiest way to do this
is by starting at:

http://www.abr.business.gov.au/(kaij4k450zjuxnuv0wvn0eb0)/WebProcessEngine.aspx?pid=11000&sid=0&outcome=0

If you are planning to operate a legitimate business selling products
to Australians there should be no difficulty obtaining an ABN which
can be applied for online through the ABR site.

Essentially, you are entitled to an ABN if you do business in
Australia:

http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?docid=pac/19990084/8

There are other ways to qualify for an Australian URL but you asked
for the least expensive and applying for a trademark is almost
certainly the cheapest way to go but the others listed here are also
inexpensive if a bit more time consuming. My personal recommendation
would be to begin by applying for an ABN and doing everything as
legitimately as possible going through the Australian Business
Register.

According to a registrar
(http://www.netspace.net.au/~roundtab/ausform.html), anyone with an
ABN, including a foreign entity, can obtain a .com.au URL through them
“even if the person has NOT registered an Australian  business
entity.”

The Netspace site also includes all the help you need to begin the
process of obtaining your .com.au address.  Of course there are naming
conventions you need to conform to but these are pretty basic.


I hope you find this information useful and wish you luck in your
business venture.

Clarification of Answer by siliconsamurai-ga on 10 Jul 2002 06:43 PDT
I had to post before my lock expired. If I wasn't clear (and I realize
that English may be a second or third language for the questioner, the
alternatives I listed in my answer are all seperate methods, there
isn't any need to do more than one.

None of these methods require you to create an Australian company and
some of the sites specifically indicate that a foreign entity (that
would be your business) can apply.

Keywords Used:

"get .com.au"

://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=%22get+.com.au+%22

get  "license to trade" "australia"

://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=get++%22license+to+trade%22+%22australia%22

australian trademark

://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=australian+trademark

Request for Answer Clarification by gaeloe-ga on 11 Jul 2002 02:43 PDT
Thank you for your answer.

You have stated different methods to be used in order to acquire a
.com.au domain name but I do not know which methods I should combine
and which methods can be done separately. Maybe adding something like:

Method 1:
Method 2:

etc..

Many thanks!

Request for Answer Clarification by gaeloe-ga on 11 Jul 2002 02:58 PDT
I also would like to have clarification on your first suggested
method. (My .com business promotes properties on the site for a
monthly fee.)

Clarification of Answer by siliconsamurai-ga on 11 Jul 2002 07:17 PDT
Thank you for your nice comment and rating.

Without knowing a great deal about your personal skills, business, and
just how urgent this is, I'm not certain I can be more specific about
which method you should begin with other than my comment that I would
recommend applying for an ABN. Which method you choose will depend a
great deal on what you are comfortable doing.

For example, forming an association with an existing company will
probably not be easy but it may offer the greatest long-term
potential.  This will depend a lot on exactly what you are trying to
market.  For example, are you competing direcly with every similar
Australian company?  If so then it will be difficult to find a
partner.

Also, the cost and time involved for each of these methods will vary.

For example, if you are just exploring this possibility and are
looking to develop this market over years, not months, then you should
first try to find a partner, if that fails, then move on to other
methods.

Your question was "What is the simplest, quickest, and cheapest
way..."

Those parameters are variables.

The simplest is probably to apply for an ABN. In the long run this
will make it easier to deal with the Australian government.

The quickest is almost certainly to apply for a trademark because, as
far as I can determine, you would qualify for a URL as soon as you
have a pending trademark.

The cheapest way (in money terms) is to form an association with
another company already doing business in Australia, but this won't be
quick or simple.

"Cheapest" is relative and all of these methods are far less expensive
than forming a seperate company in Australia, if only because you
would still have to apply for an ABN.

You use the term "urgently" so I would recommend that you take two
simultaneous steps.

Apply for a trademark
AND
Apply for an ABN

This will obviously cost more than doing either one individually and
it's not really possible to determine which will be fastest since it
depends on how quickly your ruquest will be processed and that can
vary from day-to-day depending on the work load, but it's most likely
that applying for a trademark would be fastest and, by the time the
pending application is either approved or quite possibly denied, the
ABN should be in place.

I hope this is helpful but dealing with government workers and
regulations can be tricky and your experience could easy vary greatly
depending on exactly who picks up your application.  In general it's
usually best to try more than one approach when the situation is
urgent because there's just no way to know about vacation schedules or
current work loads, both of which can cause interminable delays.

Your suggestion about organizing the methods better is a good one, I'm
still getting comfortable with the formatting guidelines here.
gaeloe-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars
Good answer with sources = credibility to the answer. Use of bullet
points would have been a plus for reader.

Comments  
Subject: Re: How to get .com.au domain names
From: robertskelton-ga on 09 Jul 2002 22:18 PDT
 
To be eligible for a domain name in the com.au 2LD, registrants must
be:
an Australian registered company; or
trading under a registered business name in any Australian State or
Territory; or
an Australian partnership or sole trader;
a foreign company licensed to trade in Australia; or
an owner of an Australian Registered Trade Mark; or
an applicant for an Australian Registered Trade Mark ; or
an association incorporated in any Australian State or Territory; or
an Australian commercial statutory body.
http://namescout.com.au/faq/help.asp?q=What+are+the+rules+to+register+a+%2ECOM%2EAU+domain%3F
The cheapest place to buy one is Name Scout
http://namescout.com.au/
Subject: Re: How to get .com.au domain names
From: xemion-ga on 09 Jul 2002 22:32 PDT
 
I looked at the domain agreement for a ".com.au" and it would be
completely illegal for you to own a .com.au domain or have it
redirected to your website.  I'm sorry.  In my experience with domain
names (which is lots), the ".com" works fine in any country.

xemion-ga

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