I've been searching for a Mary Ann Cake Pan and have not been able to
find one.  Lockwood makes them, but they will not sell outside of
Canada.  Sometimes the name is used for a shallow tart pan, but mine
were approximately 2 inches deep with 8 1/2 inch diameter.  The
depression was about a little more than an inch deep and held 2 cups
of filling.  One store clerk told me she remembered that Ecco sold
them as under the name of Tiara Cake Pan many years ago.  Thank you
for any help you can give me.  Sincerely, Daria Carraro

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Request for Question Clarification by tehuti-ga on 10 Jul 2002 08:46 PDT

Hello, 

A glossary of cooking terms gives obsttortenform as an alternative
name: http://www.foodsubs.com/EqBake.html

I have found a web site that advertises obsttortenform at
http://www.delicatessenmeyer.com/kitchenware.htm  This is Delicatessen
Meyer in Chicago.  I am in the UK, so unable to telephone to enquire
further.

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Clarification of Question by daria-ga on 10 Jul 2002 10:13 PDT

Thanks for your e-mail.  The Cook's Thesaurus does have an accurate
picture of a Mary Ann cake pan, but the obsttortenform pan is not an
acceptable alternative.  It's too shallow.  Daria.

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Request for Question Clarification by rebeccam-ga on 10 Jul 2002 12:54 PDT

Daria,

Are either/any of these what you're looking for? (They don't detail
depth, but I get the sense that you'll know by looking...)

http://www.cakedeco.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_prod.html?p_prodid=3050&p_catid=39&sid=9ZPAaE0WN0UK4jl

http://www.cookswares.com/individual.asp?n=659
There are links to other, similar pans with slightly different
measurements...)

Determined,
Rebecca

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Request for Question Clarification by rebeccam-ga on 10 Jul 2002 12:56 PDT

(It seems that last link may take you to an error page.  If that
happens, enter 'flan pan' in the Cookware Search box, and look at the
Kaiser pans.  Sorry about that!)

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Clarification of Question by daria-ga on 12 Jul 2002 12:16 PDT

Thank you to everyone who has responded.  I'm following up on your
advice.  Rebecca, the cakedeco.com picture looks pretty good except it
only has a 6 1/2" diameter and it's fluted.  I could live with fluting
if the proportions were right.  Like so many sites, they don't mention
the depth.  The picture at cookswares.com looks like an obsttortenform
pan, too shallow.  Traci, I sent Food Equipment an e-mail asking about
their reglazed Mary Ann pans, but they have not responded.  Seedy, I
sure wish we had a store like your McDonald's--sounds like fun. 
Pinkfreud, I had never heard of a culinique pan before.  I checked it
out.  I might like that for something else, but it won't substitute
for the Mary Ann pan because the proportion of cake to filling is way
off.  With the Mary Ann pan the proportion of cake to filling is about
3 : 2.  When 3/4 full, the pan holds about 3 cups of batter.  The
finished cake holds 2+ cups of filling.  Pinky-ga, I checked out the
tiara pan at e-bay.  I think the picture they show is fluted.  I've
never seen what is called a tiara pan.  Someone just told me that was
another name for the Mary Ann pan.  Since one pan isn't going to be
too helpful, I think I'll keep looking.  All the women in my extensive
family are looking for these pans.  I've added the other sites you
gave to my list of possibilities.  Who mentioned the Good Will Store? 
I gave my old pans to Goodwill or Salvation Army when my sister told
me she had found a store that sold them.  Unfortunately, I had
misunderstood her and have been trying to replace the pans since then.
 Thank you again for responding.  Actually, I'm enjoying the search,
and I'm finding interesting sites I didn't know about.  Also, I've
discovered that I'm not the only one looking for these pans.  Some
people don't know what they are called, but they seem to be describing
the Mary Ann pan.  You can see a picture of it at
http://www.foodsubs.com/EqBake.html.  Also, the 1975 edition of The
Cook's Cataloue published by Avon talks about it on page 337.  The New
Cook's Catalogue published by Knopf in 2000 doesn't mention it.

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Request for Question Clarification by zerocattle-ga on 15 Jul 2002 18:00 PDT

Hi Daria, you said:

"Lockwood makes them, but they will not sell outside of Canada."

Did you get this information online or from another source? I'm
wondering if it's because they are a manufacturer, not a distributor. 
If that's the case, there may be a US (or International) distributor
that can help you (and your family) out by putting in an order.
However, when perusing their website, I was unable to find the Mary
Ann Cake Pan as one of their supplied  pans.

If they are a confirmed source of the pan, I'm sure we can find a way
to export them. Please let us know!

For other researchers:
http://www.yellowpages.ca/bin/cgidir.dll?MEM=2302&FUNC=FORMATSEARCH&L=Lockwood+Manufacturing+Inc.&DIR=&AT=
are six phone numbers for Lockwood Manufacturing Inc., and they have
Reglazing Centers who may be of help here:
http://www.lockwoodmfg.ca/reglaze_services.htm

Good luck with your search!

:) zerocattle-ga

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Clarification of Question by daria-ga on 16 Jul 2002 06:24 PDT

Hi.

Two or three years ago I actually talked to someone at Lockwood
Manufacturers.  They made the "Professional Mary Ann Pan" pictured on
page 337 of the 1975 edition of The Cooks' Catalogue.  At the time of
publication,they were had a branch in Cincinnati.  When I reached
them, they were only in Canada and the person I spoke to said that
they no longer sold in the United States.  He did not say that the pan
was no longer available.  I came across a phone number for them on a
website that listed lots of manufactures of kitchen equipment, but I
haven't called yet--813-964-9660.

Thank you for your help.
Daria

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Clarification of Question by daria-ga on 16 Jul 2002 06:44 PDT

Zerocattle:  I tried both the sites you listed.  I sent a message to
Lockwood at their site, and I printed out the locations and phone
numbers of the Lockwood companies from the other site.  Thank you,
Daria

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Request for Question Clarification by austin_trill-ga on 19 Jul 2002 23:52 PDT

You gave me a chance to browse my Baker's Catalogue (which can be
browsed online at http://www.bakerscatalogue.com )- mmmmm!
Could this pan work for you?
.
http://ww2.kingarthurflour.com/cgibin/htmlos/28248.9.43391151951961798748
.
It comes in a set of two so that you can either make a cream filled
cake using both or you can make a cake with an indentation on top
using just one pan.  The biggest difference between this one and the
one on foodsubs.com is that this one isn't completely depressed on top
- there's a circle in the middle.
.
The measurements are 9 inches around by 2.5 inches deep and made of
heavy gauge aluminum.  The price for the set of two is $29.95.
.
Please let me know if this is what you're looking for!

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Clarification of Question by daria-ga on 20 Jul 2002 09:07 PDT

Hi Austin Trill.  The pan you saw on the King Arthur site is the
culinque pan mentioned by Pinkfreud.  It's an intriguing pan, and I
might end up buying it, but it won't substitute for the Mary Ann pan
because of the proportion of cake to filling.  Way too much cake, way
too little filling.  Thank you for your help.  Daria

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Clarification of Question by daria-ga on 26 Jul 2002 19:12 PDT

Today my Culinique pans arrived.  I measured the depth of the
depression, and it's 3/4".  I took out the flan pans that a niece gave
to me to use instead of the Mary Ann Pan to compare the depths.  The
depression in the flan pan was 1/2" deep.  I never used them since
they just don't hold enough pudding, and they are so wide.  BUT when I
took them down from the shelf, I noticed that imprinted on the pans
are the words "Ekco Baker's Secret" and "Duncan Hines Tiara Desserts."
 I now know what the Tiara pan looks like, and that it definitely is
not a Mary Ann Pan.  I thought you'd like to know.

You really need to bill me for all your research.  I'm happy to know
about the Culinique pan.  Someday, when you are looking for something
else, if you come across a source for new or re-glazed Mary Ann pans,
please let me know.  The only site I saw for re-glazed pans had not
been updated for several years.  No wonder no one answered my e-mail. 
Thanks to all of you, Daria

Hi Daria,

http://www.food-equipment.com/bakery_equipment.htm

and 

http://www.foodequipmentdepot.com/pans.htm

list used Mary Ann pans, though you should email them for a photo or
description. There's no way to tell if they are switching "Mary Ann"
for "obsttortenform" pans here. Seems to happen a lot.

Good luck!
-- traci

Our local housewares store, McDonald's, has a Mary Ann cake pan in
stock.  They do not ship phone orders. If you would like, I'll go down
to the store and confirm it is the one pictured in the cooking
thesaurus and get the price. I may be able to convince them to take
your order over the phone..although they may require a check to get
them to do it.  This is a store that is piled floor to ceiling with
everything you could want in total disarray.  The store still uses a
cash register that you have to wind up to open the drawer and they
wrap everything in brown kraft paper with gum tape to hold it since
they don't believe in bags...

I love this store and would be happy to help you give them the
business.

seedy

The "Culinique" is very similar to a Mary Ann pan, with a second
circular molding that produces a cake with a "moat" surrounding a
raised circlet of cake. If you don't want the center portion of the
cake to be raised, you can place a flattish cylindrical object into
the "well" center before pouring your batter (I use an aluminum
biscuit-cutter which is exactly the right size, and I put a round
sheet of baker's parchment in the pan, which helps the cake to be
smooth and easily removed from the pan.) Alternatively, of course,
instead of filling the "well" beforehand, you could just pare off the
center portion after baking. It makes a nice little treat for the
kids, dogs, or self.

I believe this pan is sold only in sets of two (which enables you to
make a 2-layer cake containing a thick ring of filling.) The product,
while expensive, is very well made; the two pans will likely last a
lifetime. Maybe two lifetimes.

Here is a good source for the Culinique, with a photo:

http://www.sugarcraft.com/catalog/pans/culinique.htm

Hi Daria,

After a bit of somewhat compulsive research regarding the Mary Ann pan
(my curiosity got the best of me), I learned that the spelling can
also be Marianne, which lead me to a site that referred to the flan
pan as a Marianne pan. (I also know that you can't believe everything
you read. ;-)) And, of course, as you mentioned this type of recessed
bottom pan can also be called the Tiara pan.

The origin of the Tiara name for the pan may have come from the cake
mix maker, Duncan Hines, as mentioned in a HGTV forum.
http://www.hgtv.com/HGTV/post/1,1190,5_789808,00.html

Following this lead, I finally decided to check out the old stand by
for things you can't seem to locate anywhere else, Ebay.  And sure
enough, there is a Duncan Hines, Bakers Secret by Ecco, Tiara pan up
for auction. There were no bids, 5 days left and starting price is
$1.00  See this link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2038134465

If a somewhat used pan would not meet your needs, the only other
avenue I felt left to pursue was the flan pan. Although flan pans do
have the recessed bottom for the fruit or other filling, they always
seem to have fluted edges. If you don't mind fluted edges, there is a
flan pan that is 20 cm (approximately 8 inches) that might be a
possibility. See the following link:

http://www.johnlewis.com/stores/product.asp?sku=230134019&str=901&SearchID=6635D70C4F284308BEE8024D8F329078

There is also an 11" flan pan at:

http://www.cookiecuttersetc.com/FlanPan.htm

Another name occasionally mentioned was the sponge pan, as in making
sponge cake to put fruit on top.  However, these were always smaller
than 8" and in groupings of 6 or more (like muffin tins). Finding flan
pans of all shapes and sizes did not seem to be a problem. If you want
any additional information about these, just let me know in a comment.

I wish I could have found you a new Mary Ann, Marianne or Tiara pan
just like you wanted; however, during the wee hours of the morning (at
a weak moment), I decided that I wasn't going to be able to do it.

I hope what I was able to locate is helpful to you.  

Happy baking,

pinky-ga

Daria:

I finally had a chance to go downtown to McDonald's Houseware Store. 
Despite my confidence that they would have what you wanted, they did
not. They had a pan that could make 4" cakes in a sort of 12 place
muffin pan.  They had the "flan" pan with the slopped fluted sides..(I
bought this one for $2.98 for my own use).  So...I will have to keep
searching to find a confirmed source.  My trip to McDonald's did cost
me $25.92 though, since I found a really nice ebelskiver pan to
replace my old one, and a fancy spatula, and a lemon wedge
squeezer....It is an unforgiving place since they have so much "stuff"
and "things"....

We'll keep trying..

seedy

Hi again, Daria,

I got through to Lockwood's After Hours Production Team today, having
just missed the office hours (Telephone number as above:  (519)
756-2800), and they told me the DO make Mary Ann Pans, yes, and do
sell them privately, and to call back and they'd likely be able to
give me the name(s) of the retailers who carry them. The gentleman I
talked to was a reglazer, and was intimately familiar with the
product.

:) zerocattle-ga

Daria:

Don't rejoice as yet...I spoke with Kent at American Pan who told me
the Mary Ann Pan they have is the type of muffin pan (3 3/8" diameter
3 x 4) which I saw at McDonald's in Nashua, NH.  They referred me to
Wassserstrom  http://www.wasserstrom.com  I called them at  (800)
999-9277 and spoke with Mike.  He was not familiar with the pan and
did not have anything like it in stock....but will check to see if it
is available.  I told him I would buy two of them immediately if they
are in stock...At this point...if we find one...I'd like to offer it
to you as a present....and I'll keep one for myself to make a pudding
cake......Everyone at GA is still on the job....for you...

seedy

Hi Daria

Thank you for your gracious offer to pay the fee, but I must decline
at this time.

Although I am continuing the search, I did request that my answer be
removed and the GA team promptly obliged.

I will notify you of any new information concerning this pan.  You
have a whole team of researchers working on this question.

As far as the Lockwood company is concerned, I can only speak for
myself.  I spoke with a salesperson named Carol, and she advised me
that Lockwood does not manufacture this pan.  Carol said they purchase
their Maryann pans through American pan. Since your request for
clarifaication was removed as well, I doubt that zerocattle had time
to read your question of why we posted 2 different answers about
Lockwood.

Maybe zerocattle has found conflicting information, and will post
soon.  I know for a fact, conflicting information concerning these
pans is not something new.

American pan sent me to Wasserstrom, the company previously mentioned
by my fellow researcher Seedy.  I have been in touch with a salesman
named Rush, who is searching his many catalogues for the pan.  He
promised to return my call or send an email ASAP.

So until then, keep the faith!

madsky101

Hi, Daria,

I did miss the clarification, my apologies.

I talked to Lockwood (Carol) today, and she said the gentleman in the
reglazing department was mistaken. They do reglazing of existing Mary
Ann cake pans, apparently, but do not manufacture them.

Indeed, the ones they buy are the small 3.5" Mary Ann pans. They get
those from American Pan, who does not make the larger versions, as
confirmed by seedy-ga in his comment.

I talked to Tammy Back at American Pan for long time this afternoon,
and she confirmed, unfortunately, that they do not make the larger
Mary Ann pan. I showed her the illustration online (from foodsubs.com
that you showed us) and she said she hasn't seen one that large.

However, and this is the sort of good part, if you wanted a large
quantity of these pans, American Pan may be willing to produce them
for you. A run of 100-150 pans would be worth it for them. You can
reach Tammy Back at 1-800-477-7267 if you're interested in this route.
For other regularly stocked pans from American pan, you can order
directly through them if you have a minimum order of about $200, and
it's cash upfront. Tammy said it would be more economical for you to
buy through a distributor, however.

Her other suggestion would be to contact Wasserstrom, as seedy-ga and
madsky101-ga have done, so hopefully they will be able to get
Wasserstrom's sales department on the job. They sell from many
manufacturers, and may be able to get you what you need.

Other companies that she suggested may possibly be of help were:

1. Lucks Company (west coast)
2. Hubert Company (Ohio, near Cinncinatti) http://www.hubert.com/
(didn't find the product in their online store, though they may be
able to track it down as well)

As seedy-ga and madsky101-ga are following up with Wasserstrom,
hopefully you will get a positive answer soon.

Good luck!

:) zerocattle-ga

Hello Daria!

I received an email from Rush at Wasserstrom today.  He stated that
after searching all of his catalogues he was unable to find this type
of pan.

I also received a letter from customer service at flantes.com.  The
agent stated that Flantes used to carry this type of pan but
dicontinued the item when the manufacturer went out of business.

I am sorry I do not have positive news to report.

If I turn up any new info I will post it ASAP!

Thanks

madsky101

Hi Daria, 
I know this is an old question, but I just came across it as I was
looking for recipes for tiara deserts. Better late than never, right?
Anyway, I think you'll find what you're looking for here :)

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/kitchendance/tiardespanba.html

Unfortunately, they only have seconds left in stock. (I was fortunate
enough to find this site a while ago and snatched up 4 pans)

Let me know if this helps you out! :)