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Low carb trivia
Category: Science > Chemistry Asked by: biobink-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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31 Jul 2004 21:13 PDT
Expires: 30 Aug 2004 21:13 PDT Question ID: 381892 |
Are the chemical class of compounds which can be called alcohols a subset of the large class of molecules known as carbohydrates? |
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Re: Low carb trivia
Answered By: juggler-ga on 31 Jul 2004 22:22 PDT Rated: |
Hello. No, alcohols are NOT a subset of the class of molecules known as carbohydrates. From an organic chemistry web page: The carbohydrates include: "monosaccharides C6H12O6 - glucose and fructose: ************************ disaccharides (two monosaccharides condensed together) C12H22O11 - sucrose maltose ******************** polysaccharides (many monosaccharides condensed together) (C6H10O5)n" http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5226/organic.html#alcohols Alcohols are not in the carbohydrate group. "Alcohols are a set of hydrocarbons containing a hydroxyl group ~OH in which the alkanols are a homologous series" http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5226/organic.html#alcohols Also see: Alcohols http://www.cem.msu.edu/%7Ereusch/VirtualText/alcohol1.htm#alcnom Carbohydrates http://www.cem.msu.edu/~reusch/VirtualText/carbhyd.htm#carb1 To quote a recent newspaper articles: "Most people think alcohol is a carb, but it's not." source: SF Chronicle, March 18, 2004 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/03/18/WIGIQ5LTBC1.DTL ------------ search strategy: "alcohol is a carb" "alcohol is not a carb" alcohols alkyl carbohydrates glucose disaccharides I hope this helps. |
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Re: Low carb trivia
From: purkinje-ga on 01 Aug 2004 09:14 PDT |
Alcohol is not classified as a carbohydrate, but if you are wondering whether to count it as a carb or not in your atkins diet, you should to an extent-- alcohol is metabolized by converting it into acetaldehyde, and then it's carboxylated into pyruvate (making NADH too), which is the same molecule that is made from carbs, before undergoing the krebs cycle, where an excess will be turned into fat. One glucose molecule will make 32 ATP, whereas one ethanol molecule will make 15 ATP. Either way, alcohol calories should be counted as carb calories, even though they're not chemically classified under the same category. |
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Re: Low carb trivia
From: acrh2-ga on 02 Aug 2004 19:12 PDT |
Alcohols - CxH(2x+2-y)(OH)y, in general CxHy(OH)z. Carbohyrates - (CH2O)x. I'm totally not an organic chemist, but I was under the impression that the point of Etkin's diet was avoiding carbohydrates, which make grycerol, which makes fats. And, if I'm not mistaken, alcohol has no chance of making glycerol, since it's metabolized to acetaldehyde->acetic acid-> CO2. Is juggler a better PhD chemist than me? Do I need to go back to high school? P.S. Atkin's diet is BS. Everyone with a brain knew about its basis before Atkins was born. Don't eat cakes! |
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Re: Low carb trivia
From: acrh2-ga on 02 Aug 2004 19:24 PDT |
Also, if I'm not mistaken, there was an article in Science, which described results of two sets of tests, where the weight loss in people with low carb and low fat diets was recorded. People with low carb diet lost weight faster than those with low fat diet in the first few months. However, after 1 year, the weight loss in two groups was the same. Which tells me: what one really needs to do is watch his calories (and watch for low minerals if he's on Atkin's diet). P.S. Atkin was a fraud. I'm impressed at how the fast food industry is eager to adopt anything one sees on late night infomercials. |
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Re: Low carb trivia
From: acrh2-ga on 03 Aug 2004 07:15 PDT |
NATURE|VOL 428 |18 MARCH 2004 |www.nature.com/nature |
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Re: Low carb trivia
From: purkinje-ga on 04 Aug 2004 16:51 PDT |
Hey Archy, acetaldehyde is carboxylated (with TTP, vit. B1, Mg2+ as coenzymes), making pyruvate. Pyruvate then becomes Acetyl CoA, and at that point an excess can be synthesized into fatty acid chains. Although none of this directly gives ATP, it gives 7 NADH's, which will make approximately 15 ATP if not converted to fat, 5 ATP if it is stored as fat. So you're right that it never makes glycerol, but it does make a 3 carbon chain downstream from the metabolism of glycerol-3-phosphate, with which an excess will accrue as fat. Thus, the results are very similar to sugar. It's true that people knew of the "Atkins" concept long before Atkins published, but Atkins was the first to say NO carbs, which is just stupid. If you follow the principles here-- avoiding a huge influx of carbs into your blood, as when eating candy, etc.-- as well as avoiding fatty foods, then you should avoid weight gain. |
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