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Q: Moving wine cellar transatlantic ( Answered 5 out of 5 stars,   1 Comment )
Subject: Moving wine cellar transatlantic
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: austy45-ga
List Price: $100.00
Posted: 05 Aug 2004 01:59 PDT
Expires: 04 Sep 2004 01:59 PDT
Question ID: 383760
I am currently living in Munich Germany and I am about to relocate
back to the United States to Missouri.  I have accumulated a 400
bottle wine and champagne cellar while I've been here in Europe, and I
would like to move it with me.  Could you help me understand what my
options are to safely move my wine and champagne, and what are the

Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 05 Aug 2004 12:34 PDT
Hello austy45 -

Thank you for your question.

Are you interested in moving just the bottles themselves, or are you
looking to move bottle racks or other furniture?

Thank you,


Clarification of Question by austy45-ga on 05 Aug 2004 14:02 PDT
Just the bottles, no storage units.

Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 06 Aug 2004 09:19 PDT
austy -

Can you tell me, are most of your bottles 750ml?  And can you tell me
the value you would assign for insurance per package of 12 bottles?



Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 06 Aug 2004 10:32 PDT
For the second question, I mean what value would you place on your
wine/champagne per box of 12 bottles?

Clarification of Question by austy45-ga on 06 Aug 2004 10:55 PDT
On average a case is worth $240, but the range is between $120 and
$1200.  Most are 750ml, but we do have approximately 6 Magnum+.
Subject: Re: Moving wine cellar transatlantic
Answered By: jbf777-ga on 06 Aug 2004 14:45 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
Hello -

Thank you for your question.  If you have any questions about the
research below, please don't hesitate to ask before rating this
answer.  Thank you.

The first thing I would recommend is to buy the appropriate shipping
materials for this shipment.

I do not know German, so I'm limited with regard to finding packaging
sources in Germany for you.  However, I have found on DHL's website
that "Deutsche Post offers the allround bottle packaging Packsetsize
F. Bulk buyers have the cost-effective option of ordering this
packaging by phone on 0 18 05 / 23 51 64."  This package is approved
by DHL (which you won't be able to ship with, however), but I don't
see a picture of it and can't vouch for its quality.

I found a company by the name of E. Beaver in New York City which
sells boxes for this purpose:

E. Beaver & Co.
4605 Bullard Avenue Bronx, NY 10470-1415
Tel: 718-324-7288 X Mike

They have a 18 x 14 x 15 box which holds 12 bottles, seen at this link:

34 of these at $10.95 each is about $374.

In addition to these, you may want to buy their CoolPaks enclosing
bags (material developed by NASA); these "keep the temperature of the
[boxes'] contents stable relative to outside temperatures by curbing
the "accelerating" effect brought on by temperature fluctuations
during shipment. (Imagine your valuable wine sitting in the back of a
delivery truck in the dead of summer or winter!)"

34 of these at $5.95 each is about $202.

You could order these materials from this company and have them
shipped to you, but you're going to spend probably a few hundred
dollars extra to have them shipped overseas.  So it would be more cost
effective to find a provider in Germany if you can.  Also, be sure to
package the boxes precisely to the specifications of your chosen
carrier, since this has a large bearing on whether or not you can file
an insurance claim if needed.

Once ready to ship, you will have to choose a carrier.  

Fedex will ship alcohol only if you have a permit from the Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF).  You can obtain a pro-rated ATF
permit for $41.66 which gives you one month's use.  Call Missy at the
ATF -- 513-684-2793 to obtain a permit.

Incidentally, DHL doesn't ship wine to residences.  UPS doesn't ship
alcohol products unless under specific circumstances.

I located a freight forwarder that handles residential shipping.  They
have an office in Germany.

I obtained shipped prices from Fedex as well as this company below:

Figuring about 3 lbs per bottle of wine (from a rep at
along with other web pages), each of the 34 12-bottle boxes should be
about 50-55 lbs. (18 x 14 x 15) with packaging material.

Senator International
       International Air: approximately $2120 air + customs ($600) = $2720
                             (few days; possibly overnight(?))
                   Ocean: approximately $1000 + customs/duties ($600) = $1600 
                             (few weeks) 
     Trucked to Missouri: approximately $300 - $400
               Insurance: approximately $.55 per thousand dollars
                             (less than $5.00)
They will handle most all paperwork.  You may be able to skip all of
steps 1-3 below.

Senator International
11250 NW 25th St., #124
Miami, FL 33172  
305-629-8079 - Susy or Joe

     International Economy: $2873.43 w/o duties and taxes (3 bus. days)
    International Priority: $6520.47 w/o duties and taxes (overnight) 
                 Insurance: Use outside insurance company.
      Fedex Int'l: 800-247-4747
        Packaging: 800-633-7019 
Regulatory Agency: 800-851-3336x4 x Deshel
Fedex does not provide insurance over $500.  You would have to find an
insurance source in Germany.   Senator International above may be able
to help find one.
Fedex also handles all customs brokering, so you can skip step 3 below.  


As noted above, some of these steps may be handled by the carrier. 
Check with the respective company before completing any of these

Step 1
The FDA now requires a Prior Notice Confirmation number on such
shipments due to bio-terrorism clearance regulations:

You can read more about it and create an account on this page:

Once you've created an account and supplied all the necessary information, a
Prior Notice Confirmation Number will be provided to you.  Enclose the
number with the shipments; put it also on the shipping label marked as
the Prior Notice Confirmation Number.

For more info, contact: 301-594-3849 Ted Poplawski

Step 2
Send a signed and dated letter stating the number of gallons of wine
you will be importing.  State in the letter that they are for personal
use and not for resale.  You will need to calculate the number of
gallons you will be importing and multiply this number by $.42 (which
is the state tax for wine and champaigne below 22% alcohol content). 
There is 3785.4118ml per US gallon (hypothetically, it would be
roughly $33 for 400 750ml bottles).

Write a check for the appropriate amount to the Director of Revenue and send to:

Division of Alcohol and Tobacco Control
301 West High St. Room 860
Jefferson City, MO 65101

Within about one week you will receive a letter back from Missouri to
present to customs.  If you have any questions concerning this step,
contact Diane at

Step 3
Wait for notification from the carrier it has arrived.  Obtain airway
bill or bill of lading from carrier.  Take that invoice and a packing
list (you'll need a receipt of what you paid for this wine in Germany
converted to USD; you can make up a pro-forma receipt if you no longer
have any receipts), with the received letter back from step 2 above,
and physically travel to:

Customs and Border Protection
4477 Woodson Rd., Suite 200  (next to Holiday Inn)
St. Louis, Missouri 63134

Paperwork is processed, filled out, etc.  They will stamp the bill of
lading or airway bill authorized, and then send to carrie.  Bring
check or cash for federal internal revenue tax and duty... About $120
in duty and internal revenue tax (IRT).  Call (314) 428-2662 if you
have any questions.

Customs and Border Protection of Missouri
St. Louis, MO 63134
Mailing Address: Same As Above
General Phone: (314) 428-2662 Inspector Matney
General Fax: (314) 428-7558

Search strategy:
forwarder "personal effects"

Additional Link:
  Other possible forwarders:
  EGL Global Brokerage

  Hellman Worldwide

Importing wine questions addressed (from Customs)

Request for Answer Clarification by austy45-ga on 18 Aug 2004 01:45 PDT
Is Senator International a moving company?  Or can you find any moving
company that could take care of everything for me.. including the
packing, shiping, and insurance?

Clarification of Answer by jbf777-ga on 18 Aug 2004 09:56 PDT
Hello -

Senator is not a moving company.  I have found one that I'm waiting to
hear back from shortly.



Clarification of Answer by jbf777-ga on 19 Aug 2004 11:40 PDT
Hello -

Fry-Wagner Moving and Storage, a Van Lines affiliate, will handle
packaging, shipping, pick-up and delivery:
(800) 394-0049x228 (Debbie)

Cost for Ocean (surface): $5,000-$6,000 + $350+ for insurance 

Every bottle must be listed with the type, origin, and value; must
file with the FDA first (see above).

If you have any additional question, feel free to ask.

austy45-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
The detail and completness of this answer was exactly what was needed.
 Thank you especially for the names and phone numbers of people who
can help me with this move.

Subject: Re: Moving wine cellar transatlantic
From: jbf777-ga on 22 Sep 2004 12:58 PDT
Thanks for the rating.  Glad to help!  Please stop by again soon.


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