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SPOILAGE OF FRESH JUICES
Category: Science > Chemistry Asked by: davidhit-ga List Price: $11.00 |
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08 Aug 2004 15:34 PDT
Expires: 07 Sep 2004 15:34 PDT Question ID: 385155 |
How can we prevent freshly squeezed orange juice from going bitter when stored overnight in a refridgerator? | |
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Re: SPOILAGE OF FRESH JUICES
From: dr_bob-ga on 10 Aug 2004 17:41 PDT |
I have an orange tree, and routinely squeeze my orange juice using a black and decker product, that seems identical to yours. However, I generally do not have the bitterness issues you're experiencing, even after the juice has been stored for several days. I usually store my orange juice in a glass container in the refrigerator, closed and sealed tightly with saran wrap. All fresh juices can oxidize and this may be where you are picking up your bitter flavor. Alternatively, if your orange juice is comming in contact with a metal container, this might also cause the bitter flavor as the acid tends to leach out minerals from the metal container. Because I generally don't like pulp in my orange juice, I use a coffee filter to strain out the last bits of pulp. I do not believe that it is the 'oil' in the juice that is causing the bitter flavor, and neutralizing this would probably create some kind of off flavor. However, sodium benzoate is a common preservative that is used in commercial orange juice. http://www.cargillfoods.com/pdfs/juice.pdfs/COJFM,Pres,LoPlp.pdf chugs, |
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Re: SPOILAGE OF FRESH JUICES
From: davidhit-ga on 11 Aug 2004 14:43 PDT |
What kind of tree is it? Valencia oranges keep well but Navel (which is what we have here in the Australian Winter) don't, I am told. We keep our juice in a sealed plastic container. I have read elsewhere that squeezing an orange helps it keep because of the bitter oils in the hull. Sodium benzoate: is this one reason why commercial juice tastes so artificial? If so, I don't think this is our answer. |
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Re: SPOILAGE OF FRESH JUICES
From: redhoss-ga on 12 Aug 2004 08:37 PDT |
I agree with dr_bob. I used to keep juice in a plastic container. I have since switched to glass and any juice keeps much longer. I have also read that some pretty nasty stuff leaches out of plastic that might not be good for any of us. |
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Re: SPOILAGE OF FRESH JUICES
From: davidhit-ga on 12 Aug 2004 14:20 PDT |
I don't think this is right at all. We've tried keeping the juice in glass (actual drinking glasses covered with airtight plastic wrap; it makes no difference. Please, let us not get off the track with discussions about the dangers of certain materials (plastic, teflon, aluminium etc) and what might leach out of them: as far as I can make out, none of such claims have ever been proven to be more than marketing ploys for somebody's competing product. Is there anyone who can tell me SCIENTIFICALLY what process is occurring chemically and what may be done about it? I am certain it is a process occurring in the juice - particularly of Navel oranges - not something which is leaching into the juice. |
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Re: SPOILAGE OF FRESH JUICES
From: pinkfreud-ga on 12 Aug 2004 14:32 PDT |
"The juice of the navel orange is not desirable for processing or freezing due to the bitterness caused by limonine." http://sarasota.extension.ufl.edu/FCS/FlaFoodFare/OrangesN.htm |
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Re: SPOILAGE OF FRESH JUICES
From: pinkfreud-ga on 12 Aug 2004 14:36 PDT |
Note that the more common spelling is "limonene." |
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Re: SPOILAGE OF FRESH JUICES
From: dr_bob-ga on 12 Aug 2004 16:50 PDT |
Indeed, I have a valencia type tree! Grumble for you! So, i decided to actually do real work here and look this up. You can verify all the facts by looking in any scientific journal. J. Agric. Food Chem., 51 (13), 3709 -3714 This actually turned out to be kinda interesting! The compound is called limonin, it is NOT limonene. Limonene is orange oil, a terpene. It is the common essence associated with oranges. It does not turn bitter, or generally react(oxidize) to form bitter products. In fact limonene oxide has a nice fruity flavor. Bitterness is associated with conversion of Limonoate A-ring lactone, to a bitter compound, limonin, under acidic conditions. It is a component of your oranges, probably not the peel. If there were a solution to this problem, someone would have come up with it and sold a ton of navel orange juice. Most work is centered around passing the juice through an ion exchange type resin--out of the league of the average orange consumer. Sorry I can't give you a better answer. You could try freezing the juice(this would reduce the rate of lactonization((reaction))). Alternatively, addition of sodium bicarbonate(baking soda) might also help reduce the acidity and prevent the formation of the second lactone. Just my guesses! Bob |
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Re: SPOILAGE OF FRESH JUICES
From: davidhit-ga on 12 Aug 2004 16:59 PDT |
NOW THAT IS TRULY INTERESTING - thanks! However, it now appears that there is no satisfactory answer to my question. But I sure appreciate your efforts. Genetically modified Navel oranges? I don't have the skills to do this... Dr David Hitchins |
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Re: SPOILAGE OF FRESH JUICES
From: dr_bob-ga on 12 Aug 2004 17:03 PDT |
Hey, cool, I think i got an idea.... Gotta try this... Agric. Food Chem., 52 (12), 3772 -3775, 2004. Well, as it turns out Valencia oranges, specifically the seeds, contain an enzyme, called limonin D-ring lactone hydrolase (LDLH). This converts limonin, back to the non bitter, limonoate a-ring lactone. Thus, grind up some valencia orange seeds and chuck them in, OR, i bet if you just mixed in one valencia orange with your navel oranges, you'll probably have juice that lasts a lot longer. Bob. |
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Re: SPOILAGE OF FRESH JUICES
From: pinkfreud-ga on 12 Aug 2004 17:04 PDT |
As usual, Bob is right. I am married to a chemist, but his knowledge is not contagious. ;-) This article might be of interest: http://www.sbir.dsu.edu/sbhti/home/proposal_preparation/sample_proposals/usda_sample2.htm |
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Re: SPOILAGE OF FRESH JUICES
From: davidhit-ga on 12 Aug 2004 17:04 PDT |
Wait! The question remains now: what inhibits the reaction the produces the bitter limonin when the juice is in the orange? A Navel orange can sit there for a week and taste delicious when juiced but if you keep the juice in an airtight container for a week, it would taste terrible. What catalyses the reaction? David |
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Re: SPOILAGE OF FRESH JUICES
From: dr_bob-ga on 12 Aug 2004 17:23 PDT |
What causes this reaction to occur? Man, I wish I had this one figured out. First, you're making an ester, specifically a six membered lactone, makes this a favorable process. However, you don't have an strong acids around, and you're in water, which makes things a little slower. I myself have been asking "what keeps this reaction from NOT occuring?"... Thermodynamically, limonin is the favored compound. My guess is, that the limonoate a ring lactone, is probably protected from the acidic juice. Likely in the 'pulp' sections. When you break up the juice sacks, it gets into the orange juice. According to several papers, it only takes around 6 ppm of limonin to ruin your juice.. |
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