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Subject: is there such things as aliens?
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Posted: 10 Aug 2004 00:03 PDT
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is there such things as aliens?
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Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: iang-ga on 10 Aug 2004 01:00 PDT
 
People have used the principle of mediocrity, the principle of
plenitude and the principle of uniformity to show that there *should*
be life on other planets, but that's a long way from saying there *is*
life there.  SETI searches still haven't found anything (though the
"Wow event" is a high point) and optical searches of extra-solar
planets aren't yet capable of telling us much.

Ian G.
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: pugwashjw-ga on 10 Aug 2004 01:51 PDT
 
From the point of view of the Bible, No. The Bible states God made the
heavens and the earth. The heavens are ALL the stars, not just the one
we can see. No one knows the limit of the universe, and maybe never
will. He made the earth for man "to be inhabited", and did not make
it..."simply for nopthing...Isaiah 45;18. Maybe we are at the bottom
rung of the ladder to the stars. To get there, because of the
distances involved, we would have to live forever. And that will
happen when God does away with death...Revelation 21;4...."aand death
will; be no more...
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: daytrader76-ga on 10 Aug 2004 08:10 PDT
 
Are there aliens somewhere?
Are there aliens here?
Those are two very different questions.
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: techtor-ga on 10 Aug 2004 08:32 PDT
 
It's still a possibility and that's what scientists and other people
have been wanting to find out for years. Hence all the probes and
satellites sent out in space to view the stars and peek into other
worlds. In my opinion, it is likely that life may exist on other
planets, though it is not sure that the life found will be
intelligent.
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: purkinje-ga on 10 Aug 2004 09:10 PDT
 
We ARE aliens, and somewhere out there someone is asking if we exist. Ha ha.
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: purkinje-ga on 10 Aug 2004 09:24 PDT
 
I can't believe pugwashjw says that the Bible says there is no life on
other planets. First you gave no references showing that the Bible
says such a thing. If anything, the Bible doesn't have a say on the
matter. In my opinion, the Bible alludes to it. If God is eternal, and
if his works are endless, and if he created the stars and the heavens,
then it totally makes sense that he has placed life on other planets.
Maybe you should save your preaching for an appropriate time... or at
least be a litttle more educated about it.
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: scubajim-ga on 10 Aug 2004 10:53 PDT
 
The whole Bible point of view that pugwashjw is espowising is pretty
arrogant to think that out of the whole universe - which is really,
really, really big - that we are such an important grain of sand in
the grand scheme of things.  Also his quotes don'r preclude life on
other planets.  The quotes don't address the issue at all. (except to
say the Earth wasn't made for nothing, which doesn't mean everything
else was made for nothing or not.  It doesn't address the issue.)
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: kriswrite-ga on 10 Aug 2004 12:10 PDT
 
The answer is yes, because any bacteria or microbe found in space that
is unknown to the earth is, in fact, alien to it.

Kriswrite
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: iang-ga on 10 Aug 2004 13:51 PDT
 
>The answer is yes, because any bacteria or microbe found in space that
is unknown to the earth is, in fact, alien to it.

Have any been found?

Ian G.
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: purkinje-ga on 10 Aug 2004 14:38 PDT
 
But we have never found a microbe in space, or even direct evidence of such.
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: kriswrite-ga on 10 Aug 2004 15:33 PDT
 
Scientist believe they have evidence of life on Mars: 

http://www.marsnews.com/focus/life/

Kriswrite
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: purkinje-ga on 10 Aug 2004 16:42 PDT
 
I stand corrected-- I guess there is evidence (not compelling-- but
persuasive). Thanks.
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: iang-ga on 11 Aug 2004 02:06 PDT
 
>Scientist believe they have evidence of life on Mars: 

*Some* do, but the majority opinion, maybe even an overwhelming
majority, is that the formations aren't evidence of life. The buzz
phrase at the time was "extraordinary claims require extraordinary
evidence" - so far it hasn't been found.

Ian G.
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: touf-ga on 12 Aug 2004 10:04 PDT
 
We know the universe is rather large.  We know this, because we know
the CLOSEST star (other than the sun) to us is over 4 light years
away.

Now, first of all, the Bible does NOT say that God did NOT create
other "earths".  It says God created this earth, but says nothing
specifically about earth being the ONLY planet.  Therefore, we cannot
use the Bible as a plausible source for either argument.

Now, figuring that the unvierse is so large, it is highly unlikely
that Earth is the ONLY planet in it that can sustain life. 
Statistically speaking, there have to be other planets that can (and
do) sustain life.

If you believe in evolution, then you almost have to believe that
evolution (from atoms to proteins to single cell bacteria to etc etc
etc) took place SOMEWHERE, anywhere, else in the universe.  In some
places, evolution took place sooner.  In some later.  This means that
some civilizations are more advanced than earth.  Others are less
advanced.

Have we seen aliens?  Let's assume for the moment no.  Is there life
in this solar system?  Probably not.  The conditions are unfavorable
for any carbon based lifeform anywhere else except for Earth.

Are there planets with similar atmospheres/conditions to Earth in this
universe?  Definitely.  Statistically, there have to be.

Does that mean there's life on them?  Nobody knows, but if you look at
it just probability wise, there is a greater chance of aliens existing
than for them to not exist.
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: guzzi-ga on 28 Aug 2004 17:22 PDT
 
There are in the order of ten to the eleven stars in a galaxy, and at
least ten to the ten galaxies. Consequently, it is utterly
inconceivable that life (aliens) aren?t out there.

Best
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: arktik-ga on 08 Apr 2005 19:18 PDT
 
Going back to the Bible and religion descussion, bible says that god
created everything, including us. Is realigion a belief, and who wrote
the Bible? It is a good question.
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: arktik-ga on 08 Apr 2005 19:38 PDT
 
My opinion, on wether there are aliens in the universe is Yes there
are.. It is logical, if god created earth, and the universe is
endless, than why us? I mean who knows who or what is out there? Where
is the evidence? Do u know any body that had seen god? Now, do u know
any body that had seen an alien? There are things that people dont
know, and posebly will never know of. I think religion is a belief, a
good one. For every question asked about bible and the described
miricles that had happened, there is a logical scientific explanation,
as far as i know.I think science and religion are relative. And People
will always seek the Truth.
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: arjun_smart-ga on 12 Jun 2005 11:53 PDT
 
there are a million other stars, and they are just too far away, bible
is a holy book written by a human being not "GOD". We should consider
that. I think aliens do exist, and it is not sure that human-beings
need oxygen to live, thee could be other gases that we could survive
in. I think there is 99% of chance of having aliens and 1% of not.
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: jjman2010-ga on 03 Jul 2005 14:11 PDT
 
In my opinion, yes. If you really think about it, what constitutes an
alien? Is it a being with a force field and only comes on the Fourth
of July? Or is it simply a single-celled organism living on another
planet, one of the seemingly infinite list of planets we have as yet
undiscovered. Even though science has proved a singular, omnipotent
being cannot exist, we cannot prove beings or creatures from another
world exist until we have the technologies to travel there. It is
theoretically possible there are planets with humans or creatures very
similar to humans and maybe humans more advanced as us. We could find
an entire planet of human beings, or possibly Dinosaurs that were not
wiped out by a comet on the planet. But who knows?
Subject: Re: is there such things as aliens?
From: gatecrasher-ga on 19 Jul 2005 21:08 PDT
 
I think a lot of good points have been made throughout these comments.
And a lot of really bad points. It's pretty ignorant to dismiss
science or religion one way or the other. Both Science AND Religion
have strong evidence. In fact, evidence is constantly growing that
indicates that many things mentioned in the Bible are scienctifically
backed. In my opinion science and religion are inherently mutually
inclusive. Einstein said something to the effect of (and this is not
an exact quote) "Religion without science is blind and science without
religion is lame." It's not appropriate to scoff someone for their
belief in God or the Bible. Also, it's not right for someone that is
religious to feel they are a better person than an atheist. Besides,
one of the key values of religion should be to acknowledge other
peoples beliefs no matter how they vary from your own. I completely
relate to the people on here that trash talk the Bible and God because
I used to feel the same way. The more I looked into the subject, the
more I began to wonder if it might be possible that things are "more
than they appear." Many people believe that the Bible is NOT literal
in translation, meaning that some things mentioned are open for
interpretation by the reader. It has also been suggested that the
creation story of Genesis is really meant to describe the billions of
years of things that have happened that scientists have described,
which is supported by the fact that the scientific story of the
"evolution/creation of the universe" coincides rather accurately to
the Biblical story. In other words, the chronology of the events and
development of specific things happen in accordance with each other in
both the Scientific and Creation belief systems, but that the Bible
mushes it all into 7 days versus the 14 Billion of science. Some
places in the Bible exclaim that the realm of time does not apply to
God, so that would explain the 7 days vs 14 billion years. (or so some
believe)

Having said all that, I would address the question at hand by saying,
"Nobody knows for sure." No matter what anyone says, there's no solid
evidence to scientifically prove that aliens exist. But some people
don't need scientific evidence to "know" something is true, because
it's part of their belief system and values. So, aliens are again a
subjective matter. What IS an alien in your opinion? Some say
"statistically speaking..." but statistics are just statistics. I can
understand when someone says that an overwhelming statistic indicates
that something is MORE LIKELY than not, but to say that statistics
positively prove something is silly. I don't pretend to be a
probability expert or a scientist. As to the Mars meteorite, it is
rather interesting. Again, I'm not a scientist and I also didn't read
all the tiny details, but if you want to be scientific, you must
conclude that the Mars meteorite is not valid proof because it has
been on Earth so it could be contaminated. The list goes on and on.
Time and space and God and the Bible and science- none of them really
explains aliens. So we just don't know.

The following quote that someone on here wrote is interesting to me
(and this is not meant as an attack):

Even though science has proved a singular, omnipotent
being cannot exist, we cannot prove beings or creatures from another
world exist until we have the technologies to travel there.

Please, tell me EXACTLY HOW has science PROVEN that a singular
omnipotent being cannot exist? How has that been proven, I really
would like to know.

Could aliens exist? Sure. Might they not? Sure. Do I think they exist? I dunno!

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