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Domestic hot water heater pressure change when heating water??
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: drjackpot-ga List Price: $5.00 |
Posted:
14 Aug 2004 15:08 PDT
Expires: 13 Sep 2004 15:08 PDT Question ID: 387885 |
Given a closed domestic water system (pressure regulator is installed and assumed closed). A 50 gallon water heater is initially filled at a pressure of 50 psi and the water temperature is 60 degrees F. The heater comes on and raises the water temperature to 120 degrees F. By what method or formula can one calculate the resulting water pressure (gage pressure) at the higher temperature? I have actually measured mine with a pressure gage-------but that's cheating. I have searched the net and found no answer except the 'gas laws' and these don't jive with my readings. I would like to take any initial pressure/volume/temperature and figure the pressure at any higher temperature (under 200 deg. F). Am I missing something too simple to be explained on all the physics sites?? Thank you!! |
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Re: Domestic hot water heater pressure change when heating water??
From: redhoss-ga on 14 Aug 2004 18:16 PDT |
I am curious about your question because I was a back-up water operator on a small water system. The operator started installing new meters that included a check valve to prevent backflow into the system from the customer's service. As you seem to understand, this creates a closed system and the water has no place to expand when heated. I did quite a bit of research on the problem and as you probably also found it is a very serious situation. I assume that your gage readings are lower than calculated values. Possibly the reasons calculated numbers differ from what you actually read on your gage are: 1. You have all the volume in your entire plumbing system to expand into. 2. The water heater deforms (bulges) as the pressure increases. 3. You may have small leaks that you don't know about. 4. Your pipes also deform due to increased pressure. I did find this interesting article: http://www.hotwater.com/bulletin/bulletin41.pdf |
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Re: Domestic hot water heater pressure change when heating water??
From: racecar-ga on 16 Aug 2004 12:39 PDT |
There are lots of complications. When the water heats up, so does the container, so it expands as well. But it has a different thermal expansion coefficient, so it expands by a different amount. Probably it's made out of steel, which has a lower expansion coefficient than water, so the pressure goes up with temperature. But you can imagine a water heater tank made from a material with a larger expansion coefficent than water, and in that case, the pressure would decrease with increasing temperature. In the end, as redhoss pointed out, the result of the exansion of the water is that the tank bulges. So the increase in pressure depends on the resilience of the tank. If you had a tank with inch thick walls the pressure would go up by a lot, because the walls are so strong they hardly deform at all when the pressure goes up. The way the tank deforms under pressure depends on its shape, wall thickness, and material in such complicated ways that the way to solve the problem is to do what you've already done: measure the pressure as a function of temperature. |
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Re: Domestic hot water heater pressure change when heating water??
From: saem_aero-ga on 16 Aug 2004 15:02 PDT |
I admit I don't know anything about water heaters. But if there is air in your water heater (I don't know if air is in water heaters) then you will have a two phase problem which will explain the discrepancy in your calculation. Just a friendly comment from your Internet neighbor. |
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