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Subject:
Oxidizing metals without harming crystal
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: amyb-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
17 Aug 2004 13:33 PDT
Expires: 16 Sep 2004 13:33 PDT Question ID: 389111 |
I'm trying to oxidize a metallic trim that will be used on my wedding dress. The trim came in with a much lighter backing metal than I anticipated and I want an antique feel. Right now it just looks cheap. The trim has a silver metallic backing (I'm not positive of the metal used to construct the trim; at the fabric store they said it's not a true silver) and there are rhinestones (they're actually tiny swarovski crystals that look like rhinestones) inlaid in the metal. I want to oxidize the metal without harming the crystal or discoloring it and I'm wondering if this is possible. Any help would be much appreciated! |
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Re: Oxidizing metals without harming crystal
Answered By: pinkfreud-ga on 18 Aug 2004 16:51 PDT |
As I mentioned, I have used Liver of Sulfur to achieve various patinas on sterling silver jewelry and silverplated items. Liver of Sulfur works on many other metals, too: I've applied Liver of Sulfur to nickel, pewter, and copper to get an antiqued effect. While I cannot absolutely guarantee that it will work in your case (since I don't have access to a sample of your metallic trim), I have every reason to expect that you'll be pleased with the results. I've gathered some info for you, including online sources where you can purchase Liver of Sulfur, and some articles discussing the use of the substance. Liver of Sulfur smells really awful (like rotten eggs), so you'll need to work in a well-ventilated area. Be sure to wear gloves; you don't want to get this chemical on your skin. After you have patinated your trim, you can rinse or wipe it with plain water. There won't be any lingering odor, so you won't have to worry about smelling strange on your wedding day. A little experimentation should enable you to get just the kind of finish you want. Most of the articles about using Liver of Sulfur refer to dipping items in it; if you prefer not to dip, you can dab the Liver of Sulfur solution on with a small sponge, a Q-tip, a brush, or other applicator. It's best to apply just a small amount, then wait a few seconds to see how it looks, and add more if you want a darker tone. ==================================== ONLINE SOURCES FOR LIVER OF SULFUR ==================================== Bella Beads and Wax http://bellabeadsandwax.com/liver_of_sulfur.html Kaylee Recommended http://liver-of-sulfur.kaylee-recommended.com/ Scrapbook Express http://www.scrapbookexpress.com/pineconepress.html S&S Worldwide http://www.ssww.com/store/product/sku=MC2799 Jatayu Wire Jewelry SUpplies http://conniefox.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=TPO-0604&Category_Code=TPO&Product_Count=5 Delphi Glass http://www.delphiglass.com/index.cfm?page=itemView&itemsysid=182826 ==================================== TIPS FOR USING LIVER OF SULFUR ==================================== How do you use liver of sulphur to patina sterling silver? http://users.lmi.net/~drewid/PWR_LOS.html How to Use Liver of Sulfur http://www.monsterslayer.com/Polish/Liver_Sulfur.htm Creative Texture: How to Use Liver of Sulfur http://www.creativetexturetools.com/resources/How_to_Use_LiverofSulfur.pdf ==================================== TWO OTHER POSSIBILITIES ==================================== Here is a method for oxidizing metals that uses a hard-boiled egg! I have not tried this, but it sounds interesting: Wire Jewelry Design and Techniques Forum: Oxidize the natural way http://p209.ezboard.com/fwirejewelrydesignandtechniquesforumfrm10.showMessage?topicID=28.topic A friend of mine raves about a product called "Master's Magic Antiquing Solution." She uses it on brass, copper, bronze, and silver. You can buy it here (about halfway down the page, listed as "Oxidizing Solution"): Volcano Book Arts: Metalsmithing http://www.volcanobookarts.com/cart/metalsmithing/ ====================================================================== Google search strategy: Google Web Search: "liver of sulfur OR sulphur" ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22liver+of+sulfur+OR+sulphur ====================================================================== I hope this helps you to achieve an elegant look for your wedding dress! Best wishes, pinkfreud |
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Re: Oxidizing metals without harming crystal
From: pinkfreud-ga on 17 Aug 2004 13:44 PDT |
Have you tried Liver of Sulfur? This can be found at many crafts stores: http://www.monsterslayer.com/Polish/Liver_Sulfur.htm http://users.lmi.net/~drewid/PWR_LOS.html I make my own jewelry, and I've had great luck with Liver of Sulfur as an oxidant. It is easy to use, and doesn't leave a black residue that wipes off. It will not affect Swarovski crystals or most gemstones, but shouldn't be used with porous stones such as turquoise and opal. |
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Re: Oxidizing metals without harming crystal
From: pinkfreud-ga on 17 Aug 2004 13:53 PDT |
If my suggestion of Liver of Sulfur interests you, I'll be glad to gather info regarding where you can purchase it online. |
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Re: Oxidizing metals without harming crystal
From: amyb-ga on 18 Aug 2004 06:24 PDT |
Yes, I'd be very interested in obtaining Liver of Sulfur with your help. Thanks so much for the advice! And, just to be sure, you think this will work even on a cheap metal that has been sprayed with a low-grade silver (which is what I believe mine to be)? |
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Re: Oxidizing metals without harming crystal
From: amyb-ga on 18 Aug 2004 18:47 PDT |
All of your advice is incredibly helpful. One more question though: What does it mean to patinate my trim? I'm a little worried of the process considering I'm dealing with 4 1/2 yards of trim. Also, I'd prefer to dip considering the amount and intricacy of trim I'm dealing with. Is blotting or dabbing the preferred method in this case? (Okay, I lied. That was two questions.) |
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Re: Oxidizing metals without harming crystal
From: pinkfreud-ga on 18 Aug 2004 19:42 PDT |
Oops, there I go, throwing jargon around. "Patinate" is just a fancy way to say "add a patina to." "Patina" is a term used by artisans and jewelers to refer to the "antiquing" or "aging" process, whether natural or artificial. The term "oxidize" means much the same thing (in a crafting sense), although technically oxidizing something requires a chemical reaction involving oxygen. Actually, when you're working with Liver of Sulfur or other patinating chemicals, dipping is the preferred method. You'll get a more even effect, and it is much less hassle than dabbing. I just thought I should mention dabbing as an option, in case you preferred that sort of technique. Be sure to experiment with small snippets of the trim so you get an idea of how long to leave it in the solution in order to get the color you want. If it turns too dark, you can partially undo this by wiping it down with a solution of water and baking soda. But it's best not to let it get too dark, of course. Not unless this is kind of a Goth wedding dress. ;-) One more thing (this is the voice of experience): Liver of Sulfur works best when warmed, but if you heat a solution of water and Liver of Sulfur, it will give off really dreadful fumes. DO NOT MIX IT, THEN HEAT IT IN THE MICROWAVE. If you do, the inside of your microwave will smell bad for all eternity. To make a warm solution, heat the water first, then mix in the Liver of Sulfur crystals or concentrate. Since the stuff is so stinky, I recommend working with it outdoors or in the garage. The only other thing I know of (other than rotten eggs) that smells like this is Nair depilatory. If you've ever used Nair on your legs, you probably remember the distinctive odor. Expect a very similar smell when you use Liver of Sulfur. Thank goodness the smell doesn't hang around. |
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