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Source for Idea of Devil Speaking Many Languages
Category: Relationships and Society > Religion Asked by: bludzy-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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20 Aug 2004 09:09 PDT
Expires: 19 Sep 2004 09:09 PDT Question ID: 390394 |
There is an idea in Christian (Catholic?) theology that the Devil can speak unknown languages and/or dead languages. This idea has been represented in many Hollywood movies, including The Exorcist and The Devil's Advocate. I am looking for the origin of this idea. Who first came up with it? When? Is there a part of Scripture they interpreted to come with it? If so, specifically what passages did they use to support this idea? If it is true that this idea includes the Devil speaking 'unknown' languages, does that mean that he can speak them without prior knowledge or that the languages are only unknown (or unknowable) to us? Most of the stuff I came up with through Google searches had to do with speaking in tongues, or glossalia. I am not interested in the origins of this phenomenon, except as it could be related to my main question. |
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Re: Source for Idea of Devil Speaking Many Languages
From: tutuzdad-ga on 20 Aug 2004 10:36 PDT |
Satan was once a powerful angel and as such he logically possesses the capabilities of an angel. The Bible says that angels have their own language: 1Cr 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. Dionysius wrote: "They [the angels] need neither tongue nor ears but with-out the help of any spoken word they exchange with each other their thoughts and their counsels. This form of expression, the angelic language, may seem perhaps too faint and indistinct to us who are used to material sound and words of mouth; it is however much stronger, clearer, and more perfect than any human language, even when this is used by the most learned and experienced of men. Our words of mouth are no more than symbols of the ideas we have in our mind and wish to manifest to others. Symbols and words are very often inadequate in expressing the full thought, or they are ambiguous or not well understood by the hearer. To be able to open one's mind and reveal the whole thought, as it is there, without the channel of symbolism, sound, and words, is a higher and better form of expression. Such is the wordless exchange of ideas, the language of the angels.? For what it?s worth; Tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Source for Idea of Devil Speaking Many Languages
From: pugwashjw-ga on 20 Aug 2004 23:57 PDT |
When God commenced creation, Jesus was first. He was a master worker beside God [Proverbs 8;22] Satan was created an angel who, by misusing his gift of free will, challenged God`s right to dictate good behaviour. Satan therefore was present when all the world was one language [Genesis 11;1]. Verse 4 says that people planned to build a tower [ The tower of Babel] to celebrate just how good they were. They failed to give credit to God for their existence. So, in verse 7, it states that God confused their languages and they were no longer able to communicate, and so the building work ceased and the people scattered over the earth. Verse 9 names the city as Babel. We, even today, in english, use the word babble to mean meaningless chatter. Nothing can be organised with it. So whatever languages were in existence then and any since, would all have to be well known to Satan. |
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Re: Source for Idea of Devil Speaking Many Languages
From: slakemoth-ga on 31 Aug 2004 10:21 PDT |
I have done tons of research on the old fella "Satan" and I can't say that I have come across any scripture that says anything about him and talking in unknown languages, but if you follow the "mythology" set forth, then something like speaking an "unknown" or in the case of the Exocist a "dead" language like Latin is not really a big deal. I also don't mean to ofend anyone by using the term "mythology", but a scholarly study of "Satan" reveals a long evolution of ideas and concepts that have evolved into the image we have today. A lot of what we think of about Satan today is what biblical scholars term "secondary traditions" meaning they came about at a later date ( typically the middle ages) and over time became thought of as true scripture. Dante's Inferno highly influenced these images, as well as prominent church leaders of the time like Clement of Alexander ( 150-213 CE), Saint Augustine (354-430 CE), and of course Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274). I think the online Catholic Encyclopedia said it best: "Mention is made of the Devil in many passages of the Old and New Testaments, but there is no full account given in any one place, and the Scripture teaching on this topic can only be ascertained by combining a number of scattered notices from Genesis to Apocalypse, and reading them in the light of patristic and theological tradition." http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04764a.htm The key phrase there is the last line, which basically says "there are all kinds of passages that we have gone back and attached to Satan, but really aren't about him"....These include the name Lucifer, the devil as the serpent in Eden, and many others. The online Catholic Encyclopedia ( powered by Google) is an excellent place to get information on religious subjects. Yes it is the Catholic point of view, but since they created some of the most influencial interpretations of scripture, it is a great starting place to see how the ideas were conceived. Below is an excellent link to start with that gives a great overview of Satan, including a chronology of how he evolved from ancient Israel up to 100 C.E.(old testament writings),and then 100 C.E. to present times. It is fascinating reading, and I promise will shed a lot of light on how things developed to what we think of today. There is also a section that discusses powers and abilities usually attributed to Satan. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_sat1.htm Enjoy, and you have touched on an amazing biblical subject that is quite rewarding to research. Jeff |
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